Round Up The Usual Suspects

Some time ago I mentioned an odd unsolved murder, at Harvard, back in 1969.

One of our loyal readers noticed that the case has just  been solved. DNA – what can’t it do?

Nothing very unusual about the perp, or the crime.

 

 

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81 Responses to Round Up The Usual Suspects

  1. TWS says:

    Doesn’t matter what they do, most criminals will get out.

  2. Frau Katze says:

    A black serial rapist and killer. Blacks aren’t often serial killers but there have been a few. But fewer than you’d expect based on the % of the US population.

    • gcochran9 says:

      Not so: but they’re not as over-represented as they are in ordinary murders.

      • Frau Katze says:

        No one writes true crimes books about them. The impression one would get is that they’re aren’t very many of them.

        I have heard that the US media downplays black crime. But I’m living a remote Whiteopia in Victoria, BC. There are extremely few blacks here. I rarely even see one.

        If the MSM is downplaying it, they’re successful, at least to out-of-country folks.

        Not until 9/11 did Iearn that Europe was of full of Muslims and they were definitely over represented in crime.

        • magusjanus says:

          “I have heard that the US media downplays black crime”

          Steve Sailer had a column once on how there were more white murderers across different versions of Law and Order that year than in NYC throughout that year. Basically, the Law and Order demographics of murderers is bananas out of whack with reality, particularly for the cities in which it’s usually located. So yes, it’s quite an understatement to say US media downplays black crime. I’d argue it’s basically apologetic for it half the time (Brown, Martin, riots, etc.)

          • Patrick Boyle says:

            I just finished “The Biological Roots of Crime” by Adrian Raine. He is, I’m told, a very prominent criminologist. He writes about the neurology of crime and the genetics but oddly he never even hints that their could be a racial component to crime.

            He’s keeping his head way down.

            • Frau Katze says:

              That’s all too typical. And it works. Only people in more direct contact know he’s lying,

            • Jim says:

              He does mention some ”ethnic groups” being more prone to violence for example the Maori among others. I took from that, that its possible that less developed cultures are more atavistic in some ways and this could explain why they might be more prone to violence. I know he does not say that but this is the conclusion I draw. The same conclusions were drawn by Cesare Lombroso about a century ago in early criminology when it took a more ”biological” look at crime. I just think people from less developed cultures would find it difficult to adapt to a society with many rules and what not… the Maori and ”blacks” in many ways are two examples of pre civilized cultures/ethnic groups/races. Inoticed though how Raine skipped or better put skirted over it purposely. I read that long after the Bell Curve and then as a Criminology student reading Cesare Lombroso and thinking…is it possible they may have been right 100 or so years ago? I know one thing, its a big no no to say biology has any relationship to crime.

          • albatross says:

            Real crime is mostly not very interesting, it’s just depressing and awful. Semiliterate idiot A murders semiliterate B for lookin’ at him funny, and nobody sees anything because they don’t want trouble with A’s gang. Or semiliterate idiot A murders bystander C while trying to murder semiliterate B for selling drugs on A’s street corner, oops, shit happens. Or A goes home and beats his baby mama to death in an argument over who smoked the last of the crack and whether she was looking too much at one of A’s gangbanger buddies.

            None of that makes good TV, though. A secretly Nazi millionaire who murders a woman to keep her from announcing he’s a Nazi, or a powerful politician who murders women in weird bondage rituals, that might make for good TV. But not Tyrone murdering LeRoy in a dispute about what you’re lookin’ at, motherfucker.

            • gcochran9 says:

              “none of that makes good TV”

              Comedy. Like the time some drunk was mad at the angelfish that had eaten all the other fish in his aquarium, used a shotgun on the little asshole, forgetting about his buddy on the other side of the tank. Or the guy who shot his wife because she turned the light bulb the wrong way and broke it off in the socket.

              Or the lesbian college tennis player that killed her coach in a lover’s spat, burned the body, and then decided to suicide by stripping naked and rolling down the hill into the freeway. She came to a stop at the edge of the road, where a helpful cop stopped and asked if she was having some sort of trouble. Response” “I did it I did it I did it”

              Ok, that one last wasn’t a normal murder, but it was great.

            • skeptic16 says:

              There was a muder commited by a Jew that later fled to Israel. The crime was the basis for an episode of a TV crime series. The criminal in the TV show was changed to Pakistani. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Sheinbein

    • TWS says:

      As you have already been told there are far more just as there are more murders in all categories. They lack impulse control and so are caught more often for other crimes as well. They are also released at an astounding rate. Same with Hispanics especially illegals, the authorities go to ridiculous links to hide their crime rate. I personally know two victims of illegal alien murders and knew them well. I knew another victim well enough to say hi, my wife knew him better. In two of the cases the authorities tried to release the murderers. In one case they succeeded. Like the one who assaulted my pregnant daughter was also simply deported.

      And they cover it up. You’d think that there would have been some media coverage, murderers, in one case a multi murderer deported rather than tried (or they attempted to) but the only news coverage was in a Seattle hookup rag for deviants. I knew the names of the victims, the criminals, when and where it happened but it was like the internet had never heard of the attacks.

      Same thing goes on in prisons as well. They are under strong constant pressure to “downgrade” the illegals and minorities as security risks. To that end they are always changing the system to see if more don’t shake out the bottom and get released to the community. My tiny town had a murder rate like Chicago for a few years but Unz told me it was an illusion, he had a model that showed Hispanic illegals were just as law abiding as the general pop. You just had to plug in his model and crime disappeared.

    • gregor says:

      The FBI was pushing that meme for a long time. But there have been too many counterexamples to them to maintain that any longer. In particular, there was a black killer in Baton Rouge named Derrick Todd Lee. Investigators had actually overlooked him as a suspect at one point because they assumed they killer must be white.

      There’s a guy named Dr. Mike Aamodt who has compiled a serial killer database. His work suggests that in recent decades, blacks constituted a majority of serial killers.

      The definition used is something like “unlawful killing of two or more people in separate events. A lot of black gangstas etc might meet that definition yet be fairly be “normal” criminals, i.e., they might just kill for practical reasons (money, turf), not compulsively for sexual gratification, etc. I suspect even with a more restrictive definition (a certain psychological profile) blacks would still be well-represented.

      • Frau Katze says:

        I actually read an FBI profiler saying to eliminate blacks for cases of serial killers.

        That’s how deep the rot goes.

        • gcochran9 says:

          Profilers are probably ineffective.

          • albatross says:

            How would we know?

            My impression is that the police are generally not very good at solving weird crimes. Common crimes, they’ve probably got a good idea whodunnit (Joe’s wife’s shown up at the ER with broken bones and bruises twice this year, and now she turns up dead, having been beaten to death in her house. I wonder who the police should question first….). But my impression is that most of their forensic methods are pretty lousy (and some are about as reliable as a ouija board), and when the crime doesn’t follow the usual pattern, they’re likely to come up empty. Further, the low quality of forensics and the common pattern of extracting guilty pleas from people by overcharging them means that in cases where the cops get the wrong guy, there’s probably a good chance the wrong guy just ends up in prison.

            About a third of murders go unsolved. The available murder stats say that most murders are done by people known to the victim, and probably that’s true, but I bet that’s massively skewed by which murders are actually solved–if you’re murdered by your disgruntled ex-employee or ex-husband or crazy brother-in-law or something, the police have something to go on; if you’re murdered by a complete stranger for no apparent reason, probably the police never find the guy.

            • mtkennedy21 says:

              Look how long it took to find the “Golden State” killer ? I remember several of those murders. In one case, an orthopedic surgeon and his secretary were victims and his ex-wife was a suspect for a long time. In spite of the fact that the female victim was raped.

          • TWS says:

            Now they certainly are because they are not allowed to use real crime stats and population facts. It is always an art not a science, but that doesn’t mean it’s not effective just that what they do now is almost certain to fail. Kind of like judging three street use of all martial arts by aikido.

          • skeptic16 says:

            I remember a profiler featured in an LA Times article pointing out the similarity between psychopaths and politicians (no remorse, very good at gaining the victim’s trust etc.) It would explain alot. Ted Bundy was believed to have a promising future in politics.

    • syonredux says:

      “A black serial rapist and killer. Blacks aren’t often serial killers but there have been a few. But fewer than you’d expect based on the % of the US population.”

      That’s a media myth, I’m afraid. When it comes to serial killing, Blacks are over-represented:

      “There is no doubt that White males have constituted the majority
      of multiple murderers in the United States since such records
      have been kept, but that should be no surprise, because White
      males have constituted the vast majority of males across that time
      period. However, according to some prominent serial-killer
      researchers, between 13% and 16% of identified American serial
      killers operating in the 20th century (a period in which African
      Americans constituted between 8% and 12.8% of the population)
      have been African American (Jenkins, 1998; Newton, 1992). A
      study of 337 serial killers operating since 1825 found that 22%
      were African American (Hickey, 1997), and a study that included
      mass and spree murderers with serial killers put the figure at 20%
      (Levin & Fox, 1985). More recent data for the years 1976 through
      1998 found African American representation among murderers
      with multiple victims (serial, mass, and spree combined) to have
      increased to 38.2% of all such offenders (Fox & Levin, 2001). African
      Americans are thus overrepresented among killers having
      multiple victims by about 3 times relative to their proportion of
      the population.”

  3. Ilya says:

    DNA is racist!

  4. Inductivist says:

    According to expert Eric Hickey, one-third of serial killers are black (even though blacks are only 13% of the US pop).

    • Coagulopath says:

      Social scientists talk about Missing White Woman Syndrome, where crime victims attract more attention and sympathy when they’re white and female. There could be a similar effect at the other end of the knife: the media focuses on charismatic, personable, white serial killers (like Ted Bundy) instead of minority ones.

      • Frau Katze says:

        Ted Bundy got a huge amount of publicity and at least one book.

        He differed from this black in gut one way: he was clearly intelligent and could have been successful professionally. But he couldn’t stop killing young women. At one point he escaped from a prison in Colorado and managed to get himself to Florida,

        He could have lived at least for a while in peace. But in a short time he was back to killing, There was no escape this time. He was executed.

        • Melanesianboy says:

          Ted Bundy was not intelligent. He did poorly academically his whole life. If you watch his documentaries he essentially charmed his way into law school by getting good letter of recommendations.

  5. Ilya says:

    Off-topic but related to the broader theme: a debate between Eliphalet Pearson and Theodore Parsons. Both were candidates for BA at Harvard, and the debate took place in 1773. Eliphalet Pearson, who was on the side arguing natural inequality of men (in this case, the focus is on Africans as, overall, inferior to Europeans), went on to, eventually, become Harvard’s president. The other became famous in his own right also.

    It is striking and rather refreshing — the level of dialogue between the two men. The level of candor, conviction and depth is not possible today. Harvard has undergone a drastic change towards imbecility, stiffness, and degeneracy.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=vQiUnQAACAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=true

  6. teageegeepea says:

    Care to reveal the reason for the “pinhole audience”?

  7. Zeinish says:

    No one writes true crimes books about them. The impression one would get is that they’re aren’t very many of them.

    It is not so hard to rack a good “score” as serial killer – the secret is to pick as targets homeless, vagrants, prostitutes, drug addicts and other people who will not be missed by anyone.

    Steve Sailer had a column once on how there were more white murderers across different versions of Law and Order that year than in NYC throughout that year.

    And the killers are usually rich businessmen and politicians, not alcoholics, junkies and low life thugs, because this is what the audience wants. People want watch Congressman or CEO ordering hit, not XXXth case where Bubba kicks his gf to death in drunken rage.

    There are few crime masterminds, and none in common street violent crime. Unlike fictional one, actual crime is dumb, sordid, boring and pointless. And the same goes with fictional war and actual war.

    Movies and TV are there to make money, not to express “reality” and “truth”. Next time, you can complain that war movies where all-American hero single handedly mows down hundreds of gooks and ragheads without getting his hair mussed are not entirely accurate 😉

    • Frau Katze says:

      It’s true that picking drug addicts and prostitutes will buy you time. There was a notorious case in Vancouver, BC. But some relatives did miss the victims and complained to the police.

      In the end the police department had to issue a public apology.

      • Emilia says:

        Are you talking about the Robert Pickton murders?

          • Emilia says:

            The adopted sister of the one of the victims (Sarah de Vries) wrote a book about her. Another feature of Pickton’s victims is that most of them were Native Canadian; De Vries was part Native and part Black, although her adoptive family is White. Then in Toronto where I live there have been prostitutes who have been murdered, one – who was apparently a lesbian; she had sex with men for money but had a female lover – by the lake, but as far as I know their killer or killers haven’t been apprehended, and I doubt they’re high on the Toronto Police’s priority list.

  8. Nomen Est Omen says:

    Nothing very unusual about the perp, or the crime.

    Here’s a member of the unjustly oppressed community describing how, having practiced on his own community, he “crossed the tracks” to put his skills to work on the unjust oppressing community:

    [W]hen I considered myself ready enough, I crossed the tracks and sought out white prey. I did this consciously, deliberately, willfully, methodically — though looking back I see that I was in a frantic, wild and completely abandoned frame of mind. Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women…I felt I was getting revenge. From the site of the act of rape, consternation spread outwardly in concentric circles. I wanted to send waves of consternation throughout the white race.
    — Eldridge Cleaver, Soul on Ice, 1968

    In Europe, brown and black Muslims feel the same way about YT. Not that Europe lacks for non-Muslim blacks and browns who share Cleaver’s psychology.

  9. Murder mysteries are mostly popular in places where there aren’t murders. Consider their origin in England after the murder rate had declined significantly over the previous centuries. People don’t want to read about those things if they’re real. Minority populations don’t tend to write that sort of fiction.

    • gcochran9 says:

      It’s not obvious anymore how England actually pays the bills. What do they do? My theory is that it’s all from murder mysteries ( text and video, Christie and Midsomer), and that a secret section of MI5 is constantly cooking up complex, interesting murders to give the writers plotlines. A dirty job, but..

      • Greying Wanderer says:

        “how England actually pays the bills”

        the banks still own the capital they off-shored so the profits from that come back as a kind of remittances – the day after the banks move to Hong Kong taking those remittances with them the UK goes up in flames.

    • syonredux says:

      “Murder mysteries are mostly popular in places where there aren’t murders. Consider their origin in England ”

      Poe wasn’t British…..

  10. pyrrhus says:

    Diversity is our strength…

  11. Pam32 says:

    Black Serial Killers: The Perception Versus Reality

    Click to access BlackSerialKillers.pdf

  12. dearieme says:

    The power of DNA evidence led to the abolition of the double jeopardy rule in England and Wales.

    Here’s a case.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/10/russell-bishop-guilty-babes-wood-murders/

    • syonredux says:

      “The power of DNA evidence led to the abolition of the double jeopardy rule in England and Wales.”

      I thought that that had to do with racial issues:

      “Stephen Lawrence (13 September 1974 – 22 April 1993) was a black British teenager from Plumstead, south east London, who was murdered in a racially motivated attack while waiting for a bus in Well Hall, Eltham on the evening of 22 April 1993.[1] The case became a cause célèbre; its fallout included cultural changes of attitudes on racism and the police, and to the law and police practice. It also led to the partial revocation of the rule against double jeopardy. Two of the perpetrators were convicted of murder in 2012.”

      • dearieme says:

        Most of the arguments I saw were about the ability to use DNA to solve ancient crimes. If you want to persuade most people that the risk of giving up double jeopardy is a risk worth taking, that was likely to be a more fruitful line than politically-correct gassing about the fate of poor young Lawrence.

        Still, never let a good crisis go to waste, eh?

        The most obvious madness to result from the Lawrence case was the proposition that any act is “racist” if anyone declares it to be so. The judge who advanced this lunacy, Macpherson, would be none the worse of a hanging.

        If he’s died in the meantime, dig him up and hang him anyway, says I.

  13. Charles Littlewood says:

    Here’s an “unsolved” hate crime committed 13 days ago:

    ‘They got me. I’m afraid.’: Swastikas spray-painted on a Jewish professor’s office at Columbia

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/29/they-got-me-im-afraid-swastikas-spray-painted-jewish-professors-office-columbia/?utm_term=.f662c2824090

    QUOTE: Midlarsky notified security, and she said the New York Police Department was investigating the incident. The professor said she had “no idea who was behind it.”

    I have a good guess as to who was behind it. And the NYPD must kinda know who was behind it, unless those doing the investigating are complete idiots.

    But, the crime remains “unsolved”. Will it stay “unsolved”? And if it stays “unsolved”, will it be because the cops can’t prove who did it or because the cops have decided they’d just as soon not prove who did it?

    • Jacob says:

      I’m imagining Columbo on the case.

      “Oh Dr. Midlarsky, there’s one last thing. The serial number on the paint cans matches a shipment that went out to the department store on 4th and Broadway three weeks ago. I looked at the security tapes and I was surprised to find you at the store about a week ago. How can you explain that?”

  14. Uncharted Territories says:

    I guess you’ve heard of this study. What do you think about it? How does it fit with your ‘bug’ view?

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/10/giant-study-links-dna-variants-same-sex-behavior

    • Greying Wanderer says:

      “Another variant on chromosome 11 sits in a region rich with olfactory receptors.”

      a bug that modifies reaction to scent?

  15. DataExplorer says:

    So what was the red ochre? Just clay from the bricks that got on the perp’s shoes as he was climbing the wall?

    By the way you need to minimize the ammount of adware you are using. It redirected me to some page saying i am a winner 3 times before i was able to view the site.

    • Rodep says:

      With the benefit of hindsight, I read the original post as: “Look at these morons who watch too many whodunnits, and imagine that real-life murders will also revolve around diabolical plots by glamorous people.”

      Under this interpretation, the red ochre is almost irrelevant. If you go into a crime scene expecting an Agatha Christie instead of something profoundly boring, there will be SOMETHING unusual for you to latch onto.

    • gcochran9 says:

      All from wordpress, not from me.

  16. Greying Wanderer says:

    from the original post

    “There was no evidence of a struggle or robbery.”

    from the newspaper article

    “He found Jane lying face down in her bed, having been beaten and strangled to death. The anthropology student had been raped…”

    they didn’t mention the rape at the time?

  17. JRM says:

    “He was also eventually connected to a 1985 rape, which police say he committed after escaping from work release. ”

    Another crime due to Michael Dukakis’ insane work release program. Lee Atwater’s ad about Willie Horton was spot on. The usual suspects indeed.

    • Jacob says:

      Aren’t you just swimming in a bottomless pool of joy ever since Trump decided to support the First Step Act? Far be it from our President to repeat the dumbest mistakes of the past!

  18. Smithie says:

    I wonder if there is an aggregated dataset of serial-killers’ DNA lurking around somewhere, behind the scenes.

  19. Greying Wanderer says:

    autopsy at the time said there was no rape – so where are they claiming the DNA came from?

    • TB says:

      Police often withhold details of the crime for various reasons. In this case probably the prominence of the family.

      • Greying Wanderer says:

        right – there are three simple explanations: one, the DNA connecting the perp and victim came from some non-sexual source, two there was a sexual assault with DNA which was kept hidden for some reason and three.

  20. Toddy Cat says:

    Is it my imagination, or is there still something weird about this – the report of the crime, if not the crime?

    • gcochran9 says:

      Probably just a mistake by a reporter. It was bound to happen eventually.

    • Greying Wanderer says:

      with DNA testing in the zeitgeist i can imagine police departments being tempted to clear up old cases using it – especially if they happened to have a local perp with a similar MO who was active around the same time – although they’d need to have DNA from the person they claim was the perp connecting them to the victim e.g. a semen sample – which would require a sexual assault to have taken place.

      any SJW journalists want to play Gregory Peck?

  21. BB753 says:

    So, it wasn’t the dean, after all!

  22. Five Daarstens says:

    Another unsolved Ivy league case that was strange, was that of Yale student Suzanne Jovin.

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