Jared Diamond’s thesis, in Guns, Germs, and Steel, is that regional differences in civilizational achievement are entirely caused by biogeographical factors, while regional differences in ability have had no effect. It isn’t that he believes that there are no such regional differences: he argues that the populations with the fewest achievements are the most intelligent !
In particular, Diamond argues that people in PNG (Papua New Guinea), are significantly smarter than the average bear. “in mental ability, New Guineans are probably genetically superior [my emphasis] to Westerners”: p21. “Modern ‘Stone Age’ peoples are on the average probably more intelligent, not less intelligent, than industrialized peoples. ” p 21.
This is sufficiently odd that readers of GGS often refuse to admit that Diamond ever said it. They’ll deny that it’s even in the book. They tend to replace this meme with another of their own device: you see, hunter-gatherers are innately better at hunting and gathering – at their own way of life – than developed peoples would be. Of course that doesn’t really work either, since innate superiority at obsolete tasks ( a born buggy-whip maker?) doesn’t necessarily translate to modern superiority, or even adequacy.
I’ve only seen this claim – PNG Über Alles – in one other place, ever. A character in a book by Poul Anderson said “The only true humans on earth, my friends, the main line of evolution, the masters of the future, are the lordly Melanesians. ”
Of course that character was feigning insanity, but still.
In arguing that the last actually are first – that populations that invented calculus and gunpowder and penicillin are duller than those that invented very little – Diamond dismisses the entire field of psychometrics. He mentions no evidence, doesn’t even bother to argue about it. It’s his personal impressions of the locals in PNG versus everybody from Alfred Binet to the College Board. The word “IQ” isn’t even in the book.
It’s a ballsy approach – implying that the whole field is just pointless crap, not even worth discussing. It’s how I would deal with astrology or gender studies. It’s how everybody should have dealt with Freudian analysis.
The problem with Diamond’s non-argument is that aptitude tests actually work. A one-hour paper-and-pencil test gives a reasonable estimate of a student’s general problem-solving ability, which is why everybody uses such tests. The Army find that the top scorers make much more accurate tank gunners – it’s hard to ignore a 120-millimeter DU shell.
Regional scores on IQ tests and other educational tests ( PISA, etc) do track regional differences in S&T achievements. Not perfectly – northeast Asians have the highest scores but have not made the largest contributions to the development of modern technology – but pretty well. Populations that have low average scores on such tests have contributed very little to the development of modern science and technology.
If there was some fatal flaw in our methods of testing academic aptitude, you’d see some people (or whole populations) that scored low ( say 80) but were still whizzes at electrical engineering or molecular biology. That doesn’t happen. To be fair, we do see many people with high scores embrace various forms of madness, everything from Koreshanity (Why, this is Pellucidar, nor are we out of it.) to Fomenko’s New Chronology (Gary Kasparov). But then they’re intelligence tests, not sanity tests.
If Diamond were right (and the tests wrong), there would be tremendous opportunities for arbitrage, just as sabermetrics let baseball managers identify undervalued players. For example, if people from PNG were indeed significantly smarter than the world average, UCLA could develop powerhouse departments, full of likely future Nobelists, at low cost. People would eventually try to look intelligent by putting a bone through their nose. Why hasn’t this happened? Pure stubbornness? Shouldn’t Harvard pre-emptively adopt this policy, in order to stay on top?
If Diamond were right, hunter-gatherers and other backward peoples should be able to catch up with the developed world rather easily, being smarter. In fact, they should be able to rapidly surpass us: even a moderately higher average IQ in a population greatly increases the fraction that scores above a high threshold. PNG should be shot with genius. Yet there’s no sign of it.
Diamond acknowledges as much. “We see in our daily lives that some of the conquered peoples continue to form an underclass, centuries after the conquests or slave imports took place. ” p 25. ” Yes, the transistor, invented at Bell Labs in the eastern United States in 1947, leapt 8,000 miles to launch an electronics industry in Japan – but it did not make the shorter leap to found new industries in Zaire or Paraguay. The nations rising to new power are still ones that were incorporated thousands of years ago into the old centers of dominance based on food production, or that have been repopulated by peoples from those centers.”
“Prospects for world dominance of sub-Saharan Africans, Aboriginal Australians, and Native Americans remain dim. The hand of history’s course at 8000 B.C. lies heavily on us.” p 417.
Why should that be so? If hunter-gatherers are ” probably more intelligent, not less intelligent, than industrialized peoples”, why doesn’t it show? Maybe they aren’t plugged into the old-boy networks, but why don’t they win the math contests and chess tournaments? Where’s their Paul Morphy, their Ramanujan, their George Green? Mathematicians, at least, would cheerfully hire a grizzly bear as long as it ate fewer undergraduates than it solved Hilbert problems.
Where are the practical payoffs? “Many of the living descendants of the Aborigines who survived the era of European colonization are now finding it difficult to succeed economically in white Australian society.” p 19. Again, if they’re so smart, why aren’t they rich? Why do they flunk algebra?
Perhaps we should consider dysgenic effects. Because of low birth rates among highly educated women, IQ is probably declining today in developed countries, at ~1 pt a generation. Probably this hasn’t been going on for very long. . But if it goes on long enough, a day may come when the minds of the men of the industrialized countries fail, leaving the inhabitants of Sentinel Island the smartest people on Earth.
But it is not this day.
Enough about the thesis: it’s a mess. Measurements don’t support it, and none of its implications have gone through the formality of actually happening. Back to the book itself, which is not all bad.
You see the idea that biogeographical circumstances shaped the rise of civilization and technology is not at all crazy. The mistake is assuming that that is the only factor, or that those circumstances never change the peoples exposed to them: never change them above the neck, that is. Diamond is happy enough to admit that selection for disease resistance changed Eurasians and Africans.
Diamond emphasizes the important of domestications of animals and crops, the big step towards civilization. This allowed vast increase in population size and social complexity: you can’t overemphasize its importance.
He discusses various ways in which parts of this big story support his thesis. Often they don’t really, but the discussion can still be interesting.
Most significant domestic animals were domesticated somewhere in Eurasia or North Africa, only a couple in South America (llamas and vicuna), nothing in the rest of the world. Diamond argues that this wasn’t because populations varied in their interest in or aptitude for domestication. Instead, the explanation is that only a few large animals were suitable for domestication.
He’s unconvincing. Sure, there were places where this was true: what were the Maori in New Zealand going to domesticate – weta? And Australia didn’t have a lot of large mammals, at least not after people wiped out its megafauna. But there are plenty of large animals in Sub-Saharan Africa, yet none were domesticated. He argues that zebras were wilder, more untameable than horses – but people have tamed zebras, while the wild ancestors of horses (tarpans, which survived into the 19th century) were usually described as untameable. The wild ancestors of cows (aurochsen, which survived into the 17th century) were big and mean. They enjoyed impaling people on their horns and flinging them for distance. The eland is a large African antelope, and by Diamond’s argument it must be untameable, since the locals never tamed it. But in fact it’s rather easy to tame, and there’s now a domesticated version.
The key here is that one can select for disposition, for tameness, as well as obvious physical features, and an animal can go from totally wild to cuddly in ten generations – remember the selection experiment with Siberian foxes. In the long run disposition is not a big obstacle. Selection fixes it – selection applied to above-neck traits.
Diamond makes a similar argument about domesticating plants as crops: only a few plants were suitable for domestication, and part of the reason that some populations never developed crops was a lack of suitable plant species. I’ll give him Eskimos. but that’s about it.
Here his argument is far weaker: there are a buttload of plants that could be domesticated and might be quite useful, yet have not been. Enthusiastic agronomists keep trying to get funding for domestication of jojoba, or buffalo gourd, or guayule – usually government interest runs out well before success.
The reason that a few crops account for the great preponderance of modern agriculture is that a bird in the hand – an already-domesticated, already- optimized crop – feeds your family/makes money right now, while a potentially useful yet undomesticated crop doesn’t. One successful domestication tends to inhibit others that could flourish in the same niche. Several crops were domesticated in the eastern United States, but with the advent of maize and beans ( from Mesoamerica) most were abandoned. Maybe if those Amerindians had continued to selectively breed sumpweed for a few thousand years, it could have been a contender: but nobody is quite that stubborn.
Teosinte was an unpromising weed: it’s hard to see why anyone bothered to try to domesticate it, and it took a long time to turn it into something like modern maize. If someone had brought wheat to Mexico six thousand years ago, likely the locals would have dropped maize like a hot potato. But maize ultimately had advantages: it’s a C4 plant, while wheat is C3: maize yields can be much higher.
Why didn’t people domesticate foxes, back in the day? Is it because foxes are solitary hunters, don’t have the right pack structure and thus can’t be domesticated, blah blah blah? No: they’re easy to domesticate. But we already had dogs: what was the point? You had to be crazy like a Russian.
One other factor has tended to suppress locally-domesticated plants – what you might call alien advantage. If you grow a crop near its origin, there will be local pests and pathogens that are adapted to it. It you try growing it in a distant land with a compatible climate, it often does very much better than in its own country. So… crops from Central and South America have done very well in Africa, or sometimes in Southeast Asia. Rubber tree plantations work fine in Malaysia and Liberia but fail in Brazil. Maize is the biggest crop in Africa, while manioc and peanuts are important. Most cocoa is grown in Africa: most coffee is grown in South America.
Sometimes, Diamond was wrong, but in a perfectly reasonable way, not in the devoted service of a flawed thesis, but just because the facts weren’t all in yet. We all need to worry about that.
He considered the disastrous impact of Eurasian and African diseases on the inhabitants of the New World, contrasted with a much smaller impact in the opposite direction, and concluded that a major factor had probably been transmission from domesticated animals. Eurasians domesticated quite a few animals, Amerindians not many – perhaps that was the explanation. In Guns, Germs, and Steel (p 207), he mentions measles, tuberculosis, smallpox, influenza, pertussis (whooping cough), and falciparum malaria as likely cases of transmission from domesticated animals.
We know a lot more about this we did twenty years ago, since we’ve been sequencing the genes of everything in sight – and it appears that Diamond was mistaken about the most important members of that list. TB appears to be ancient in humans, smallpox probably came from some East African rodent, while falciparum malaria seems to have derived from a form of malaria carried by gorillas. Measles really does descend from rinderpest, a cattle plague, but then rinderpest (and mumps) probably descend from bat viruses. Domesticated animals do play a role in influenza, along with wild birds. I don’t think we know the origins of pertussis.
So why then was the Old World such a fount of infectious disease? Well, it’s bigger. Civilization was older, had had more time to pick up crowd diseases. Humans have close relatives in the Old World that carried important pathogens (chimps and gorillas), while Sasquatches are germ-free. Important pathogens, especially those with insect vectors like malaria, maybe couldn’t make it to the New World through ice-age Beringia. Transportation and trade were more advanced in the Old World, and spread disease more efficiently.
I don’t think that Diamond was making excuses for Amerindians in this, as he was when talking about domestication: having lots of plagues isn’t usually considered an accomplishment. Origination in livestock seemed like a reasonable idea at the time, considering the state of the art. It seemed so to others as well, like William McNeill. It’s not totally wrong – definitely true for measles – but it’s not a huge part of the explanation.
Sometimes Diamond was right. He says that it’s a lot easier for crops to spread east and west than north and south, and he’s correct. Middle Eastern crops worked in much of Europe, especially southern Europe, and also were important in India and China. On the other hand maize had to adapt to shorter growing seasons as it spread into North America: this took time. Post-Columbian spread of maize in Africa was much faster.
Geographical barriers were major factors in slowing the spread of civilization. Although a few distressed mariners must have occasionally crossed the Pacific in ancient times, nothing significant (in terms of crops or ideas) seems to have made it across before Columbus. Amerindians had to develop everything themselves, while populations in the Old World were sharing seeds and ideas (and plagues). Having to invent everything from scratch is a disadvantage, no question.
The geography of the Americas greatly inhibited contact between Mesoamerica and the Andean civilization: even today the Pan-American highway doesn’t go all the way through. The Sahara was even worse, but most of the budding civilizations of Eurasia did manage some contact.
Conclusion
We could use more serious work on macrohistory and the rise of civilization: it’s an interesting and important subject. In particular I’d like to see a really smart and detailed comparison of the two totally independent births of civilization in the Old and New Worlds. But this book isn’t serious. The thesis is a joke, and most of the supporting arguments are forced ( i.e. wrong). Perhaps the most important thing we can learn from Guns, Germs, and Steel is that most people are suckers, eager to sign on to ridiculous theories as long as they have the right political implications.

One of your best posts in awhile, Greg, and that’s saying something.
I appreciate the Anderson and ERB shout-outs, BTW.
ERB and Christopher Marlowe in the same sentence.
Breaking it up and having various earlier posts was really interesting too. A lot of good points were made by your readers.
I told you not bother, and now I take it all back. This is a great dissection, and should be sent to every reader of the mendacious volume. I knew he was lying by page 25 but carried on reading to learn more about geography, and flora and fauna. Your review has highlighted the good bits, and sunk the rest. As you say, most readers are suckers, and hope even one domesticated sucker gets to read your review.
I get the impression that a heavily edited version without all the b-llsh-t might be interesting. Where to find that, though…
Diamond is kind of like Marx, only with geography as his monocause, rather than history. As did Marx, Diamond took a variable that did indeed have a lot of relevance to the development of civilizations, expanded it into the One True Explanation, and then proceeded to apply it to all human history, whether it fit or not. It was then taken up by large numbers of people who had axes to grind, not on the basis of truth, but because it facilitated the grinding of the aforementioned axes.Oh, well, at least no one murdered tens of millions of people in the name of diamond’s theories – at least not yet.
They’re working on it. Results pending.
At times I thought that Diamond was trolling his readers. I expected to read about Atlantians in some chapter after the PNG appearance. Nonetheless, the book did lead me to look at the world slightly differently, and to discover websites such as Westhunter, so for that at least I am grateful.
One way that the HBD sphere could contribute to demolishing disinformation is collect pieces like this one and self-publish a Guns Germs, and Steel Revisited with chapters from different authors. The more inquisitive students who sense some wrongdoing or who are naturally curious would be able to find the best critiques in one place.
I read AJP Taylor’s The Origins of the Second World War and like many young historians of past generations it made an impression but I benefited from reading The Origins of the Second World War Eevisited which came up when I searched on Google Books and Amazon.
A systematic assault on the big influential books in the fields of psychology, anthropology, economics(Acemoglu’s Why Nations Fail),etc. is the way to go.
Steve Broadberry gave a sort of slideshow critique of Why Nations Fail that I’ve got here:
https://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/steve-broadberry-on-why-nations-fail/#more-2873
Doing some googling, I’ve found he’s got a more formal writeup which I’ll blog soon.
Michael H. Hart’s “Understanding Human History” is also sometimes framed as a critique of Guns, Germs & Steel, but is mostly focused on IQ rather than agriculture.
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I thought the book nonsense except the part about geography. For example, if you look at the path of corn cultivation in New World, it seems to have taken hold where people needed a food source and had the weather to sustain it. That is, the coastal tribes of California and Florida never bothered, whereas the Southwestern Tribes relied heavily on it (and disappeared when the weather patterns made water to hard to get). Tribes that had ready supply to food sources didn’t bother. Tribes that needed to farm reached for the most productive grain. Domesticating animals was easier once the tribe wasn’t moving around, and so on.
So it seemed to me that geography and available food source would play a part in whether or not a tribe turned purely to farming, and farming success played a part in whether or not they could specialize. Specialization led to more survival strategies for higher IQ people, and also made it more possible for them to have power, thus pushing IQs upwards.
Maybe it’s obvious that successful farming communities led to higher IQ selection, but he never mentioned it. That was my takeaway, anyway–while I thought the book was feelgood nonsense, I’d never before then (this was 20 years ago or so) considered the move to farming as a cause of higher IQs rather than a symptom.
There are a couple high IQ non-farmers, Mongolians and Eskimos.
High compared to Africans, NOT their own farming neighbours. BTW, The IQ and Wealth of Nations estimate for Mongolia is apparently done by averaging Russia and China.
I’ve always wondered why Lynn did that. Well, I guess I know why. But why not be honest and say “I don’t have good data”?
I can imagine times when interpolating data from neighbouring countries might make sense. Some tiny island state that’s of similar genetic stock to its neighbours – yeah, why not. Knowing the IQ of Tuvalu would give you a pretty good guess as to the IQ of Kiribati. But Mongolia is the 18th largest country in the world, running on a fault line of cultures and races. Seems like you’d miss out on a bit of data by just smashing the IQ of Russia and China together.
Some studies have since come to light, giving a Mongolian IQ of about 101. But that was on children in inner Mongolia, where you would see interbreeding with the Han Chinese in the south. What’s the IQ of Mongolians who live further north?
Lynn got a lot of criticism for that methodology. He stated in reply that when the estimated IQ’s were eliminated the correlations between IQ and economic development actually increased slightly.
Eskimos score higher than any other h-gs, but still lower than Europeans or Chinese. And they drink, universal problem of h-gs.
“I thought the book nonsense except the part about geography.”
That would be most of the book, no? Diamond is a geographer; his department at UCLA is Geography.
Diamond is a bird ecolologist or something along those lines,as he states in Guns Germs and Steel. He came to have an affiliation with geography, in part because some geographers came to him and said “Can’t you improve your maps???”.
I heard him give a plenary session at the Association of American Geographers, it was a while ago, mehinks in LA in 2002.
But really, he is not a geographer except by adoption.
Just for the record, Wikipedia says he was “professor of physiology at UCLA medical school” in 1968, with a “second parallel career in ornithology and ecology, specializing in New Guinea and nearby islands.” WIkipedia has further details.
Geographers found his work interesting and provocative. Some liked it and some found it maddening and wrong-headed. All geographers rolled their eyes at the crudity of his geographical analysis–if I recall, there were a few maps with big black arrows showing that Eurasia was oriented East-West and the Western Hemisphere had a North-South axis.
His crude maps made a certain amount of sense to me because I could imagine the East-West orientation of major biomes in Eurasia, driven by climatic zones. William McNeill discussed the role of the steppes and the “steppe gradient” in Rise of the West.
One argument of his that I found persuasive was that modern Australia was developed with crops and technologies perfected elsewhere in the temperate world, either from Europe or from other “neo-Europes.”
Many of the examples in the book I found provocative and enlightening. Since I know so little about New Guinea and Melanesia, it’s probably easy to mislead me.
Please post this as an Amazon review.
I’ll give him Eskimos. but that’s about it.
I’m with you on the animals (intuitively and by the practical examples)… but I wonder more about this one. Did the WHG in Europe really have suitable candidate domesticate plants around? What about South India, another region without indigenous agriculture (and roughly as late occurring in full flow as in Northern Europe)?
(Peter Turchin seemed to believe that the terrestrial plant threshold (TPT) occurring at Effective Temperatures of 12.75°C (4: Table 4.02 and figure 4.12) had a role in inhibiting northern early agriculture. I doubt this is the full story, given late agriculture elsewhere in Eurasia outside the early centres of the Middle East and East Asia, and other factors are present inhibiting grain agriculture. But in your view is there nothing to it entirely?).
Crabgrass can be domesticated [fonio]. For that matter, oats and rye are natives of Europe, started out as weeds in the wheat.
Is it possible, that European IQ was even higher before sedentism + farming?
Because if brain size decreased in the Holocene, and also correlates to intelligence, any subsequent selection for IQ must be purely domain specific.
A very good review.
I enjoyed Guns, Germs, and Steel when I read it, but I read it selectively, paying more attention to some parts than others. In particular, the book came out when scholars in a variety of fields were really beginning to put together the story of major demic expansions and how they changed the world. These parts of the book – Speedboat to Polynesia, How Africa became black, Colliding hemispheres – were good popular science on a fascinating topic.
But the attempt to answer Yali’s question – why do white people have so much cargo compared to New Guineans? – didn’t really work. Apart from the issues raised by Greg’s review, these are some things that struck me.
1. One of the most basic facts about economic development is that it correlates with high latitude/low temperature. The outliers are pretty straightforward, poor communist and ex-communist countries, and rich petrostates. And there are all sorts of other correlates of latitude and climate: polygyny, women’s contribution to subsistence, unilinear descent groups. Once upon a time geographers (eg Ellsworth Huntington) couldn’t talk about much anything else. This helped make old-school geography unpopular, so we get to Diamond, who doesn’t address the topic.
2. A big puzzle is why Europe specifically (not, say, China) took the lead in the revolutionary economic, political, and intellectual changes of the past 500 years. Unlike the development of agriculture, or the origin of the state, this only happened once, so it’s going to be hard to sort out what factors were most important. Diamond doesn’t really have much to say about this, other than noting that political fragmentation probably helped.
I thing cultural shifts alone explain the differences between China and the West in recent centures. China stagnated not just got left behind. So the two cultures or culture areas, broke with norms around the same time.
The reason I said its culture is the Tebow book, which points out the social networks involved in scientific knowledge begun to spread in Europe, and to decline in China. These sorts of shifts aren’t biological though they naturally affect heredity in the long run.
It is really hard to make a good explanation with an n=1. Geology had this problem, you had time series data, but only one running experiment. You couldn’t wind it all back up and see how sensitive it was to initial conditions. It was probably a great boon to geological models to be able to send probes to other planets/moons and see how they turned out.
Unless we want to try to run civilization like the Moties did, we probably won’t be able to re-run this particular experiment and see whether there was something really different about Europe, or if it was just some random combination of luck factors that finally gelled. Thus we are mostly stuck with historical or philosophical approaches to try and answer the question. I’ve been interested in macrohistory for fifteen years, and I’ve read a lot of attempts to explain why Europe finally pulled ahead of China.
A lot of them are interesting, but I’m not sure anyone has really nailed it yet either. It doesn’t help that the field of macrohistory is mostly out of fashion, so the seminal works in the field are mostly old, which means wholly innocent of any genetics or archaeology from the last half of the twentieth century, at best.
It’s the DNA (or whatever) to protest authoritarianism. That only developed in “the West;” maybe it comes from IQ as well as an additional quality one might label grit. Individual thinkers with horizons beyond those permitted by human-deities, class, religion, military rank or whatever, became the greatest engine of ingenuity and entrepreneurialism. Amazing, but not easy to maintain. Maybe the children become “domesticated” and choose to be taken care of.
The fragmentation of Europe was one of his major points: lots of little peninsulas and mountain ranges to make natural stable nations . Europe does look oddly detailed on the world map. What brought about the last stages of internal unification and hierarchy though… hard to decide cart and horse
I wonder why don’t you mention lower (much lower) genetic variation of Amerindians compared to Eurasians.
It’s there but I don’t know how important it is.
Perhaps because Sub Saharan Africans have even more genetic diversity than Europeans.
Delighted to read this and have some of my ideas (soaked up from GG&S) corrected.
A small point: I don’t think it’s really part of Diamond’s thesis that New Guineans are smarter. Yes, he said they were, and thought they were, but was willing to waive the point – and I think it functions more as a rhetorical bending-over-backwards. He’s basically saying: “Let’s allow that Europeans and Chinese are not only not smarter than primitive-lifestyle peoples but actually dumber; I can show how they could have come to conquer the world even so.” (I found Diamond’s reasoning about smarter primitive peoples easily the least persuasive part of his book; I also got the impression that so did he.)
He never says he was willing to wave the point, so how do you know that?
Next, europeans and Chinese ( northeast Asians) test smarter than anyone else. Noticeably so. And they act it, more or less. kinda sorta. More complicated mistakes.
It’s pretty common for California farmers to keep a few ostriches.
Not only didn’t the blacks domesticate ostriches, neither did the Boers. But the British did, PDQ.
Los Angeles’s main park, Griffith Park, was an ostrich ranch under Griffith Griffith in the 1880s.
A lot of people have lost a lot of money in California ostriches over the last 130 years.
You’d think specify would find a way to make money with them. They have ok meat an interesting hide, the feathers used to be worth something before synthetics but America hasn’t ever made money off them. Same with a lot of funky critters, alpacas, emus, camels, we don’t exploit them very well. They are niche pets and tulip bulbs.
I was introduced to the book while undergrad at economics…we spent a half semester of a course on it and I can say, it was one of the most important books of my education, also because in a couple of years later, it brought me here. I remember vividly being intrigued and a little insulted by the PPG geniuses but I am proud to say I didn’t buy it back them either. The book certainly has points for introducing me to ‘out of the box’ thinking. But just for amazon review sake, how many stars do you give it?
two.
Hi Dr. Cochran, just to pick up on one of your last sentences here – “two totally independent births of civilization in the Old and New Worlds”. Do you believe that there were only exactly two completely independent births of civilization in history? That is, the beginning of civilization in the Far East was influenced by the existing one in the Fertile Crescent? Just wondering about your opinion because it appears that there’s significant disagreement on this.
Non-Cochran here: since it was physically possible that the Fertile Crescent was the origin for all Old World civilisations it will be very hard indeed to prove that it wasn’t, because “prove” is a strong claim. How could you prove that ideas weren’t transmitted from one chap to another along a chain thousands of miles long? On the other hand, does it matter much? What turns on whether or not the Indus civilisation was an offspring of Sumer? Or that the Chinese learnt this or that from the West (meaning what we now call the Middle East)?
The two great advances for man were (i) the agricultural revolution, and (ii) the industrial revolution. We know where and when the second happened, in one remote island over the course of a century or two. For the first all we know is where the oldest evidence has been found so far. That situation could change next week.
I don’t know that much hinges on it. In the book, Jared Diamond deals with the emergence of writing – he says it arose independently in the Fertile Crescent and Mesoamerica, but is uncertain about the Far East. I was wondering whether that was the current state of knowledge regarding civilization itself as well.
Writing was developed independently by the Maya, the Harrapan, the Chinese, Egyptians, and Sumerians.
http://chemsites.chem.rutgers.edu/~kyc/Five%20Original%20Writing%20Systems.html
Setting aside the Maya, how can we be certain? I can see that it’s pretty plausible. But certain?
P.S. your link won’t open for me.
The earliest writing in Mesoamerica is Olmec writing. Their script has never been deciphered. Olmec culture tends to resemble Mayan culture but since we haven’t been able to decipher their writing we are unsure of how closely related they were to the Maya.
Many other Mesoamerican cultures had writing. The Mayan writing is not the oldest.
The Long Count also was first used by the Olmecs and after them by the Zapotecs and the Maya but not by other Mesoamerican cultures. The Zapotecs had writing prior to Mayan writing. The Zapotecs spoke a language not at all closely related to Mayan languages.
At least two.
This “review” reminds me of the articles in local newspapers that “destroy” mainstream climate science. Rude and arrogant in tone, and geared for an effect. Declaring a thoroughly researched thesis a joke based on a couple punchlines is not the way to conduct a scientific discussion.
Diamond says that regional IQ differences have nothing to do with success at ‘cargo’. That’s false.
Perhaps his definition of ‘smart’ is in maximized leisure time.
HG societies in high resource areas tend to do roughly 25 hours of work a week, throw in a mild climate with few dangerous animals like the majority of N America, and it can drop as low as 15.
Course, that isnt smart so much as it is extraordinarily lucky
“Perhaps we should consider dysgenic effects. Because of low birth rates among highly educated women, IQ is probably declining today in developed countries, at ~1 pt a generation. Probably this hasn’t been going on for very long. . But if it goes on long enough, a day may come when the minds of the men of the industrialized countries fail, leaving the inhabitants of Sentinel Island the smartest people on Earth.”
Back in 2007 I ran a simple correlation exercise taking in most of the worlds countries. This compared mean national fertility rates taken from The CIA World Factbook with mean National IQ scores as listed by Lynn. This produced a figure of minus 0.73 !
Diamond has been debunked,Hannibal domesticated African elephants,teachers love the book because it’s all about Kumbaya,read why nation fail
I had never been disturbed by the thesis of Papuan high intelligence – not only it is opposed to the main argument of the book, but seen in context, it is clearly meant seriously. Rather strange to dedicate half space of book review to two or three sentences in the book.
It is only the most glaring example of Diamond’s tendentiousness and fundamental unseriousness.
You mean not meant seriously?
I mostly agree. Sure, Diamond mentions it near the beginning, and it reveals a lot about him. But it’s not really central to the thesis of the book, which is basically that geography is destiny (but not because of local selection). I wouldn’t summarize the thesis as “Diamond believes that Papuans are smarter than everyone else, but that geographical factors are holding them back.” Rather I’d say “Geographical features largely determined the inequality of national/continental wealth that we see today, via the effects on agriculture, trade, disease, etc.; genetics play no role.”
Then he should have said that. But the notion that every population is equally smart is one of those ideas contradicted by everything that has ever happened. And even Diamond does wonder why peoples with long experience in civilization can quickly pick on new developments like airplanes and electricity while backward populations don’t do very well at that. Well should he wonder.
He talks about how sticking a pencil through your septum shows how smart PNG natives are. Really.
It would be interesting to hear the story of someone’s journey from fervent belief in this nonsense to something approximating sanity.
When I heard Diamond speak at a plenary session at the AAG conference in 2002 he gave modern airplanes and airports (managed by PNG natives) as evidence that PNG natives were not obtuse or stupid, and that if you gave them modern technology they could make an international airport work just like anybody else.
That’s an empirical question. I don’t know what an inspection of PNG airports would indicate.
Cochran is preaching to the choir here at West Hunter. I don’t know how he can reach a larger audience that still hold on to the Jared Diamond like beliefs that we are all equal and it’s racist to even look closer at reality.
We are living in a time where a large section of the world (Africa and the Middle East) are quickly rolling towards a worst case scenario of the malthusian trap. The best population projections we have now guess that Africa will continue it’s crazy population growth from it’s present 1 billion to where ever the full effects of the malthusian trap halt further population growth by disease, starvation, and murder out of desperation. Meanwhile the rest of the world has come pretty close to stabilizing it’s population growth. Africa is a huge problem that will not be looked at and addressed because equality idealist deny that their is a problem.
Racism is repugnant as well as ignorant. Each and every individual needs to be looked at as an individual rather than part of a larger group. But shifted bell shaped curves of human intelligence in different population groups are real, confirmed by repeated scientific studies. If we don’t admit that there is a problem in Africa than how in the world are we going to help these poor people from starving to death from over population.
We aren’t. We won’t even give out free birth control to those exploding populations in need of them because of another set of ignorant beliefs. Idealistic believers in human equality are not just mistaken, they shun any talk that Africans are suffering because of IQ difference. We can’t talk about the growing underclasses in developed countries that are pushed further and further out of the middle class because of IQ difference. It’s all very sad.
Free contraception might work, supposing that the Africans would use it. Seems unlikely though.
Cutting aid is probably cheaper.
Very interesting article. I was a bit shocked when I began to reread GGS, years later, to find the wise primitive stuff at the start. Obviously erased by the brilliant observations in the rest of the book. Now I find out the early stuff is a smoking gun indicating a certain amount of wishful thinking!
However I’m not sure innate population-wide IQ is a better explanatory theory than suggesting that emigrAtion of the more intelligent and more original, or (in an authoritarian culture) suppression/punishment of independent thinkers, could keep a region stupid.
I’d like to point out a much better and more original book than Diamond’s, McNeill’s Plagues and Peoples from the mid-70s. McNeill was the originator of the “germ hypothesis” (the impact of infectious disease on the course of human history) and already mentioned that germs might have had some impact in his epic The Rise of the West from 1963 (among the best books ever written).
In GG&S, Diamond does refer to McNeill but not Plagues and Peoples (probably intentionally).
Read McNeill.
McNeill’s The Pursuit of Power is good as well, and is a companion to Plagues focusing on the historical consequences of the development and evolution of military technology. Diamond may have just ripped off McNeill’s works on guns, germs, and steel and inserted his thesis, which McNeill never advanced.
“Sure, there were places where this was true: what were the Maori in New Zealand going to domesticate – weta?”
Moa, obviously!
Fish farming? Seals?
FWIIW he got the timeline wrong in the Spanish Conquest of Mexico. Diamond claims it was smallpox that made Cortes achievement possible. No, first the Spaniards conquered Mexico, then smallpox wiped many of the Aztecs out. We even know the name of the guy who was the original source of the infection (he wasn’t even a white guy; so much for that theory) and when it happened to within a week or two. Diamond’s not a big fan of facts.
No, smallpox hit Tenochitlan in 1520, after the Spanish were thrown out of the city. It’s mentioned in the Aztec codices as huey ahuizotl (“great rash”). About 25% of the population died from it (including the emperor) and when Cortez returned in 1521 he found a greatly weakened city.
Could he have conquered Tenochitlan without smallpox? Too many unknowns, I think. Worth remembering that smallpox would also have thinned the ranks of Cortez’s native allies, like the Tlaxcalans.
Nope. Diaz del Castillo talks about a big smallpox epidemic before the siege of Tenochtitlan. While they were building their war fleet, in fact. See Vol 1, Ch 84 of Diaz del Castillo’s memoirs.