Still not yet.

Here are the National Merit finalists for the Albuquerque Public Schools system, for 2018:

Cibola High School
Gage Boman, Michael Kiesling

Del Norte High School
Benjamin Cochran

Eldorado High School
Maria Anna Cheshire, Caroline Pineda, Nicolas Savignon, Todd Snow

La Cueva High School
Thomas Brown, Gabriel Cuneo, Kaan Dokmeci, Matthew Eck, Emma Hazard, Akshay Jain, Abigail Jones, Nicholas Justice, Brandon Limary, Siddharth Namachivayam, Daniel Ndibongo, Megan Tran, Elizabeth Vaughan

Manzano High School
Emily Clarke

Volcano Vista High School
Naomi Rankin, Matthew Sanchez

Again, the Hispanics and Amerindians, that make up more than two thirds of the students, don’t show up much. I forget why they were supposed to. It’s not happening in California, either.

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99 Responses to Still not yet.

  1. Congratulations to Benjamin. Was he provided with a special environment when growing up?

  2. spirit_of_negation says:

    More than half of the finalists come from La Cueva.Is it just most intelligent parents putting their kids there?

  3. “More than half of the finalists come from La Cueva. Is it just most intelligent parents putting their kids there?”

    I can’t tell if you’re kidding, but it’s clearly demographics. Most of the schools on the list are 60-70% Hispanic, with few white and next to no Asians. La Cueva is nearly 50% white and 9% Asian. Clearly, the asians have chosen a school, and that’s where most of them will go as the community grows. IOver time, the white kids will leave because Asian education culture (specifically Chinese and Indian) is highly unattractive to Americans.

    Betcha a fair amount of money that most of the Asians at La Cueva weren’t born here. I imagine Albuquerque’s Asian population is growing fast.

      • Those aren’t particularly assimilated Asian names.

        • hughmyronbrough says:

          Indians strongly dislike adopting Anglicized names, no matter how Anglicized they are culturally. If that’s your barometer for assimilation, you’re going to be eternally disappointed.

          • rec1man says:

            Indians, such as Hindus, Sikhs and Jains use names based on their religious textbooks and hence cant anglicise their names – anglicised names are mostly judeo-xtian biblical names

            • E says:

              St. Thomas Christians (native Indian group who have been there for a really long time) seem quite happy to use anglicized names, but they also mostly have saints’ names to begin with.

              (The one I knew personally was very big on his ancestors having been Christian before most Europeans…)

              • rec1man says:

                I said, Hindus, Sikhs and Jains and Buddhists, ( Indic religions ) cant assimilate to Christian ( American ) names –

            • mtkennedy21 says:

              I had a very bright female medical student whose last name was Jain. I wonder if that was a sort of Anglicized version? Her parents, both physicians in the US, met on an Indian dating web site.

          • GondwanaMan says:

            Then how about Indians with last names like James and Matthews?

          • GondwanaMan says:

            Wait, did my comment go thru? Anyhow, how about Indians with last names like Matthews and James???

          • I’m not talking about assimilation. He said there wasn’t a recent increase in Asian immigration. First, I looked up New Mexico and Asian immigration and there apparently has been an increase, but I don’t live there so wouldn’t quibble. However, I spend a lot of time around Indian immigrants, both of recent and second or third generation. By the second and third generation, the names aren’t “Bob” and “Frank” but nor are they usually quite as overt. More likely Atul or Khan. Jains have really only been here since the 70s and most far less than that. Unless New Mexico has always been a destination origin for them, it seems likely they are recent. I think Dokmeci is Turkish. Meanwhile, Megan (the East Asians do like their white chick names) Tran is usually Vietnamese.

            So it’s a pretty big hodgepodge of names, from a variety of countries, and that just still suggests a relatively recent influx of Asians. I’m not disputing Greg so much as wondering if New Mexico has always had a wide variety of small Asian communities that would offer some other explanation. Like, has the city always had a lot of mosques, or has it had a big Sikh community.

          • Frau Katze says:

            There are some from India who routinely use English names. There are or were some in our Parliament (Canada). I asked a Indian about and he said that some particular group had the custom. They weren’t Christians AFAIK. He called himself “Joe Daniel.”

            Wikipedia says “He was the first Canadian MP of Malayali descent.” He also belonged to the Conservative Party.

    • Calvin X Hobbes says:

      A lot of our recent immigrants from East Asia got here by doing really well on high-stakes tests. They tend to push their kids to follow that path to success. Take a look at the names of the top 25% of students in the last National MATHCOUNTS competition.

      https://www.mathcounts.org/sites/default/files/u49/2017%20National%20Final%20Standings.pdf

      The only student listed from NM (Joseph Camacho, 55th place) has an Hispanic name, but that’s the only Hispanic name among the 56 names.

      I’ve been to quite a few MATHCOUNTS competitions. Even at the local contests, there were almost no blacks, and if there were any they did not do well.

  4. DataExplorer says:

    Pineda, Sanchez, and Cuneo are all Spanish surnames. Ndibongo sounds African but when I googled the full name I actually found the kid, he is from South Africa and looks mixed race.

  5. This is from The American Mathematical Monthly June-July 2017 p. 489 :
    “The demographics of the mathematical community does not look like the demographics of America. We have left whole segments out of the benefits of the flourishing available in our profession.” Francis Edward Su President of the Mathematical Association of America

    • pyrrhus says:

      Who is this “We” he is talking about? As an Asian, he should resign immediately in favor of a less privileged minority.

    • Gringo says:

      We have left whole segments out of the benefits of the flourishing available in our profession.
      Journal of Blacks in Higher Education: The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test

      Let’s be more specific about the SAT racial gap among high-scoring applicants. In 2005, 153,132 African Americans took the SAT test. They made up 10.4 percent of all SAT test takers. But only 1,132 African-American college-bound students scored 700 or above on the math SAT and only 1,205 scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT…
      If we raise the top-scoring threshold to students scoring 750 or above on both the math and verbal SAT — a level equal to the mean score of students entering the nation’s most selective colleges such as Harvard, Princeton, and CalTech — we find that in the entire country 244 blacks scored 750 or above on the math SAT…
      . Nationwide, 33,841 students scored at least 750 on the math test

      That isn’t many- only 244 in the whole country scoring above 750 on the Math SAT. “Whole segments” are left out of the mathematics profession by scores that indicate lack of ability for the profession. There aren’t many Ph.D. mathematicians who scored below 700 on the Math SAT.

      • pam32 says:

        Qoute:
        ”In 2005 the average black score on the combined math and verbal portions of the SAT test was 864.
        The mean white score on the combined math and verbal SAT was 1068, 17 percent higher”
        http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

        Shouldn’t be 23% higher?

        • Calvin X Hobbes says:

          Good catch. And where did their 17% even come from? Even if you incorrectly use 1068 as the denominator, you get 204/1068 = 19%.

          On top of that, the percentage difference in those scores says absolutely nothing about relative ability. Only someone with essentially no understanding of numbers would throw that percentage difference into an account. An informative description of the score difference is that it’s about a standard deviation, probably a little more than one standard deviation. Where have we seen that before?

          • Gringo says:

            In any event, what the article points out- the paucity of blacks scoring high on the SAT- stands. One might say that the innumeracy in this article rather points out this lack.

  6. Toddy Cat says:

    I would expect Ron Unz and Fred Reed to weigh in, assuring us that it’s going to happen any minute now.

  7. Frau Katze says:

    How can you from their names who is of exclusive Spanish descent and who is more Amerindian?

    • Jim says:

      If their name is “Pocahontas” they’re probably Amerindian. If their name is “Elizabeth Warren” probably not.

    • gcochran9 says:

      You would have to look pretty hard o find anyone of pure Spanish descent in New Mexico. For that matter, you would have to look fairly hard to find someone of pure Amerindian descent on the res.

      • lots of the full blood guys were dying off in the nineties. You’ll still find them in out of the way rezes but they’ve gotten thin on the ground. Lots of rezes with most guys looking like Brad Pitt and George Clooney.

  8. MawBTS says:

    How many finalists does your family have so far?

  9. Airgap says:

    The Hazards made the list again. Emma and Madison should start a Donnas-style punk band.

  10. Sterling Sorbet says:

    Funny how it’s usually smart parents who “push” their kids, and smart kids that are able to be pushed.

  11. Campesino says:

    Congratulations to you and your son.

    I think when I was named a National Merit Scholar it was the proudest my father ever was of me. It paid about 40% of my tuition. Of course when the university found out about it, they immediately withdrew the 20% academic scholarship they had awarded me.

    • ghazisiz says:

      The standard National Merit scholarship (from the National Merit Foundation, or whatever it is called) seems to be $2,000/year. Some schools may give more. The University of Alabama and the University of Oklahoma apparently give a full-tuition free ride. But just try to convince your kids to go to those places when their friends are going to places like Vanderbilt.

      • gcochran9 says:

        $2500 total, not per year.

        • ghazisiz says:

          Our kid gets $2000/year, for the national merit thing (also a separate, more generous scholarship, from the university). Case-Western.

          • gcochran9 says:

            The National Merit Corporation itself just gives out 2500, total: or so they say. Many universities & some corporations give out their own money

            “National Merit® $2500 Scholarships
            Every Finalist competes for these single payment scholarships, which are awarded on a state-representational basis. Winners are selected without consideration of family financial circumstances, college choice, or major and career plans.”

  12. benespen says:

    Clearly his fine name helped.

  13. BB753 says:

    Soon, real soon, Hispanics will catch up! At least Ron Unz will make us believe so! What’s up with Unz and Mexicans? It’s not as if he was still running for office and needed their votes. Every intelligent man has a blind spot. Sad.

  14. RCB says:

    So I think I know your strategy for pre-college education. What about college? Say your kids want to go to expensive prestigious east coast university, and they are good enough to get in. Do you pay the big bucks? Do they take on student loans? Suppose they wanted to major in Gender Studies?

  15. The Docent says:

    I don’t know what it is like now, but when I was took the PSAT back in the 1980’s, minority students were given rather generous “handicaps” for their test scores. Thus, in my school, one of the finalists was a Hispanic who had scored significantly lower than the rest of the (white) finalists. (To his credit, he was pretty upset by the favoritism).

    • gcochran9 says:

      No, they weren’t. But there was NHRP, National Hispanic Recognition Program.

      • Gringo says:

        Similarly, there was a National Achievement Scholarship Program from the National Merit Scholarship Corporation for blacks from 1964 to 2015.

        In the half century since the National Achievement Scholarship Program was created, more than 4.6 million Black Americans have entered the program, and approximately 228,000 have received program recognition. Of those honored, more than 34,000 of the most outstanding participants were chosen to receive Achievement Scholarship® awards worth about $108 million. Currently, about 1,550 of these young men and women are undergraduates at 200 colleges and universities across the nation.

        A guy in my brother’s high school class was one of those so recognized. He was far from a genius. Had Barack/Barry Obama been so recognized, rest assured that we would have been informed of this achievement. That he wasn’t so recognized indicates to me that his speaking about the “intercontinental railroad” to San Francisco, or “speaking Austrian” was a fair indication of where he stood on the intellect level.

  16. JerryC says:

    Hey, it’s rather arbitrary to judge “intelligence” simply based on test scores. There are many different facets of intelligence in which Hispanics leave Anglos and Asians in the dust. Such as the ability to customize awesome lowriders and walk in those pointy Mexican boots without falling down.

    There are many others, I’m sure, but those were the first that came to mind.

    • DataExplorer says:

      From my experience, Hispanics have more street knowledge and self-preservation skills than the average white person. They are more likely to cross to the other side of the street when a crazy homeless guy is shouting obscenities on the sidewalk ahead, they are more likely to not stop for gas in a dodgy neighborhood after dark, etc.

      • JerryC says:

        Would be interesting to take a look at the Albuqueque police blotter and see if Latinos are over or underrepresented in the commission of egregiously stupid crimed.

      • Anonymous says:

        In my backpacker youth, I once got into my head I’d visit the Nairobi black ghetto, a vast jumble to the south of the city proper. The cheap guest house I was staying at was right on the edge of it, so I just turned down a broad deserted alley to see what might be waiting.

        Perhaps halfway down, I met a homeless old black guy who started shouting and ranting at me. I turned around and never went back. In retrospect, I consider this a decision making win.

        • Toddy Cat says:

          “Hispanics have more street knowledge and self-preservation skills than the average white person”

          Probably the average white liberal, at any rate, but that’s a low bar to clear.

  17. j says:

    Trying to identify the ethnic origin of a person by its family name will be futile very soon if it not so already. Is Jeff Bezos (“kisses”; origin: Villadolid, Spain) – Hispanic?

  18. charles w abbott says:

    Congratulations to Benjamin for hard work and for choosing his parents wisely!

  19. Phil says:

    https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/02/03/mailbag-fetishizing-richard-lewontin/

    I found this blog by reading this blog post.
    Can you please respond to this attack on you?

    • MawBTS says:

      I found this blog by reading this blog post.
      Can you please respond to this attack on you?

      No point. Jayman tried to argue with him once: he appears to be one of those people who has crossed an event horizon of intelligence that loops back to stupid.

      Greg’s article says that 95% genotypical similarity doesn’t equate to 95% phenotypical similarity. That would only make sense if all genes had equal input, which they don’t. Some genes do a lot. Others do nothing.

      Why does it matter? Because the internet is full of people saying stuff like “humans are 95% genetically identical, hence they cannot differ significantly in any quantitative trait”, and Lewontin is the source of this confusion.

      (Is anyone here a programmer? What happens when you delete int main() from a thousand line c program and compile? Your program still basically works, right? I mean, the code is 99.9% the same as it was before…)

      human population structure does exist, but human genetic diversity is considerably different from the erroneous views held by most race realists. With the exception of geographically isolated populations far from others, most of human genetic variation is clinal and often change more or less continuously with geography.

      True, but trivial and not interesting. Color exists on a similar gradient. Is it impossible to categorise colours? Is it vacuous to describe hues as “red”, or “eggshell white”, because they exist on a continuous spectrum?

      You can argue that some categories are over-simplistic. EG, if we reproduce the Mona Lisa using only 8 bits of color (256 shades), we’ve lost a lot of detail. But even so, it would still look like the Mona Lisa. The claim here is that “race” represents a useful simplification, similar to a 256-shade Mona Lisa. When I say “Caucasian” or “Sub-Saharan African”, I’m imparting some degree of information about that person.

      However, if you sample many populations living in between these groups, the emerging pattern does not lend itself to such a simplistic interpretation and do not support the existence of distinct genetic clusters (Serre and Pääbo, 2004).

      Note that the same evolutionary process that creates races also creates species.

      Imagine that an alien arrived on earth four billion years ago and copied the genome of every single creature, from the first prokaryote to Donald Trump, and laid them out on a line.

      You’d see a gradual change. There would be no point at which a duck becomes a duck, or a man becomes a man. Should we stop using the word “species”, on that basis? This whole thing feels like a straw man: he’s debunking a version of race realism that believes the world is like Starcraft, with distinct racial lines that will never overlap.

      The other goalpost move fails because it lacks a serious appreciation for biological significance. Just because a difference exists does not by itself mean that such a difference is large enough to be of biological relevance. There has to be an empirical argument that bridges that gap and race realists have so far been unable to present such an argument.

      The T’Rung pygmies of Indonesia stand 4’5″ tall. The Dinka of South Sudan are about 6ft tall. Is that biologically significant?

      • crew says:

        (Is anyone here a programmer? What happens when you delete int main() from a thousand line c program and compile? Your program still basically works, right? I mean, the code is 99.9% the same as it was before…)

        Well, your program will fail to link because the linker will not find main.

        The analogy is flawed because it is more like a spontaneous abortion because of genetic flaws.

        Perhaps more like what happens if you insert a ‘;’ before the block after an if test or what if you delete the if test but leave the block. (The first is a favorite mistake of novices.)

        The program will run but likely produce different results than the correct version.

        • Jim says:

          Yes a subtle error in a computer program can have big consequences. I remember in a company where I once worked there was a 20,000 statement FORTRAN program that had run for many years with absolutely no problems. Then one month it just died and wouldn’t do anything and produced no error messages. It was eventually traced to a subtle error in the record deblocking logic in one simple subroutine. The original programmer had forgotten about the possibility that the number of input records could be exactly divisible by the number of records in a block resulting in no irregular block at the end of the tape. One slight modification of one statement was all it took to get the program
          to run with no problems just as it had for many years prior.

          • crew says:

            However, that is more like a genetic variant that operates fine in one environment but is deadly in other environments …

            • Jim says:

              This particular bug was always an error not a matter of a particular operating system or environment. There was never any reason to exclude the possibility that the number of records might be exactly divisible by the block size. So it wasn’t environmental. It was completely harmless though as long as the number of input records was not divisible by the block size. But if it was the program dropped dead.

  20. Warren Notes says:

    If that National Merit was a test to qualify for employment, those not on the list would have the strongest of cases for both prima facie discrimination and lack of job relevance under current employment law and “rules and regulations.” Congratulations to Benjamin.

  21. Citizen A says:

    Ok, once again, millions of einsteins are out there in those slums:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/12/innovation-income-chetty/547202/

    I find it quite sad that this will not die.

    • Frau Katze says:

      A particularly notable example of inability to distinguish causation and correlation.

      It’s not very hard to understand. Why is it so confusing?

      Or, alternatively, maybe it’s deliberate. “Virtue signalling.”

      • JerryC says:

        Chetty is the embodiment of Sinclair’s maxim that is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

  22. crew says:

    OT, and Greg may have already seen this:

    https://www.rt.com/news/412541-gay-straight-genetic-research/

    Some are reporting that this proves homosexuality is heritable, but perhaps all it shows is that susceptibility to a particular pathogen is heritable.

    • MawBTS says:

      Every time they do a GWAS, they find alleles that correlate with homosexuality…but they’re never the same alleles.

      The standout SNP in this study is rs77013977 on Chromosome 8, with statistically significant clusters on Chromosomes 13 and 14. But past studies have found alleles on the X Chromosome. And before then, a study found linkage on Chromosome 7.

      This looks really weak and scattershot to me. They’re probably just finding noise.

      • dux.ie says:

        That cannot be correct. For GBR the freq of rs77013977TT is 0 🙂
        GBR|C|0.901|164|T|0.099|18|CC|0.802|73|CT|0.198|18|TT|0|0

        Anyway tested it with GRE Quant score,
        GREQuant = +52.39*rs77013977TT +153.95; # n=41; Rsq=0.5192; p=1.083e-07 ***

        Thus that at least confers advantage for carriers of rs77013977CT. That might explain the puzzle:

        http://www.newnownext.com/homosexuality-ted-talk-james-o-keefe/11/2016/

        “”“Gays have 80 percent fewer kids than heterosexuals. This is a trait that ought to go extinct in a few generations, yet down through recorded history in every culture and many animal species as well, homosexuality has been a small but distinct subgroup. If this were a genetic error, natural selection should have long ago culled this from the gene pool.”””

        https://www.quora.com/Are-there-many-closeted-mathematicians

        “””apart from Turing, Nash and Hardy there are also the following (and certainly some others too):
        Andrey Kolmogorov (probability, topology, etc)
        Pavel Alexandrov (set theory, topology)
        Sofia Kovalevskaya (analysis, differential equations) (possibly)
        J.C.C. McKinsey (mathematical logic)
        Robert MacPherson and Mark Goresky (intersection homology)
        Günter M. Ziegler (discrete mathematics)
        Nate Silver (admittedly a statistician rather than a mathematician)

      • crew says:

        A question just occurred to me about those ~10% of rams that are exclusively interested in other rams.

        What switches on their sexual responses? Is it the presence of ewes in estrus but the rams fix on the wrong targets?

  23. Jaim Jota says:

    It seems that mentioning dysgenic trends is no more tabu. According to this, Scandinavian geniuses are being decimated. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289617302787

  24. melendwyr says:

    ‘Cibola’ High school? They named it after an onion?
    No comment regarding ethnicity and achievement, it’s a dog bites man situation – no story here.

  25. dux.ie says:

    Just heard it from a podcast on different matters. The mathematician Eric Weinstein was interviewed and in passing he mentioned that in his maths department gays were overrepresented and they had a few IQ points advantages, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKyBiOKYo3U at 21:00 mark.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Weinstein#Early_life_and_education

    So was it maths dept in University of Pennsylvania, Harvard University or MIT ??

    “””Eric Ross Weinstein (born October 1965) is an American economist, writer, and Managing Director of Thiel Capital, Peter Thiel’s investment firm.[2] He writes on investments, capitalism, science, and mathematics.[3]”””

    http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/JBS2012.pdf “INTELLIGENCE AND HOMOSEXUALITY”

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0002282 “Sexually Antagonistic Selection”

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