Shaker Heights

People talking about education often blame poor funding, or crummy unionized teachers, or low standards/expectations for low achievement among black and Hispanic students.  That happens not to be the case. Some of the most interesting examples involve schools that are prosperous, liberal, and have mixed student bodies: the gaps still exist, even though the kids are exposed to the same teachers, same curriculum, same funding level, etc.  Every now and then you see an article about these puzzling cases. The articles all sound much the same: the reporter and the school authorities are always mystified by the outcomes.   And  as far as I can tell, they stay mystified.

Once upon a time, I used to collect those articles.  I suppose I was hoping for a new take on the situation, one in which the blame was pinned on Trotskyite wreckers or elf-shot, but they’re all pretty much the same.

The first one I  ran into [in the Washington Post]  was about Shaker Heights.  The people running the school were mystified: “In four recent high school graduating classes, blacks made up just 7 percent of the students in the top fifth of their class, while they constituted 90 percent of those in the bottom fifth.”

Then came Cheltenham, Pennsylvania:  “Experts have long puzzled over why the gap exists.”  “Children of well-off, college-educated African Americans tend to do little better on standardized tests than the children of white high-school dropouts.”

I saw the same article about a school in Denver.  Again in Nyack, New York.  Evanston, Illinois.  Stamford, Connecticut. Menlo Park, Ca.  Princeton, New  Jersey: “If the gap can’t be narrowed in Princeton, then where can it be narrowed?”  Berkeley, CA: “”How could a high school do so well by one group of students and do so poorly for another?”

I am not the only person  that noticed this often-repeated pattern.   Eventually, many of these high schools [and some similar ones, like Amherst]  got together and formed a consortium [MSAN, Minority Student Achievement Network] aimed at finding the mysterious cause.  I wish them luck in their search for the real score-killer.

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89 Responses to Shaker Heights

  1. It just goes to show that the amount of racism is exactly the same in every district, regardless of culture, income, or history. Whether it is peopled by nice tolerant white folks or supremacist bigots, the amount of prejudice is apparently exactly the same. Darn that Inewwadicable Wacism! I need to get a Wacism Ewadicator.

    • Gringo says:

      Darn that Inewwadicable Wacism! I need to get a Wacism Ewadicator.

      One conclusion I came to after working south of the border- especially in Trinidad- was that a certain amount of racism/ethnocentrism was inherent in the human being- as was a certain amount of tolerance. We can try to minimize harmful effects of racism/ethnocentrism. but we cannot eradicate ethnocentrism/racism. While all members of homo sapiens may be brothers and sisters, all members of homo sapiens also have a certain tendency to identify with Our Group and to vilify The Other.

      Having seen in my time as a teacher and substitute teacher the hostility that many black children have towards settling down and learning, I tend to lean towards culture instead of genes for the explanation.

      Children of Black Caribbean background- whose ancestors were slaves- tend to to better in school and in achievement tests in the US than blacks whose ancestors were slaves in the US. That suggests cultural differences.
      I will not completely rule out genetic differences, though.

      • erica says:

        “Having seen in my time as a teacher and substitute teacher the hostility that many black children have towards settling down and learning, I tend to lean towards culture instead of genes for the explanation.”

        Have you asked yourself to what degree the characteristics of a culture are the result of biological traits, traits common to a group?

      • misdreavus says:

        So “children of color [sic]” understand that there is an unmistakable relationship between greater educational attainment and success in every single endeavor imaginable, higher income, greater attractiveness to the opposite sex (for males, at any rate), et al. and yet they _voluntarily_ refuse to give a rat’s rear end about their education for some God knows inexplicable reason.

        If you ask me, that pretty much proves stupidity by default.

      • “That suggests cultural differences. I will not completely rule out genetic differences, though.”

        I think there is an element of that – you see it with African vs Caribbean also. However there are other differences also. One is having a different average age of puberty which has a dramatic effect on sit-still-ability among other things. It’s an easier to swallow reason for liberal-minded types.

      • Anonymous says:

        Indeed, culture too plays some part. Blacks could be better Whites if they wanted to (though perhaps not as good Whites as Whites are), as is suggested by non-US First World Blacks, Blacks adopted by Whites (these adopted Blacks not representing, gene-wise, the right of the Black bell curve), and Caribbean immigrants all outperforming typical US Blacks. Unfortunately, NAM culture is the other thing you can’t blame for anything.

      • Toad says:

        misdreavus says:
        …there is an unmistakable relationship between greater educational attainment and success in every single endeavor imaginable…

        There is also an inverse relationship between education and fecundity, so from hbd perspective, it is beneficial.

      • Matt says:

        Having seen in my time as a teacher and substitute teacher the hostility that many black children have towards settling down and learning, I tend to lean towards culture instead of genes for the explanation.

        Whether by culture or genes, as a group they seem to like having status and be oriented towards achievement for that reason (and thus towards education).

        But they have more status related disputes with teachers and other students and are not so fond of sitting around when they could be out behaving in ways that maximize status and profile. (So opt somewhat more towards non-education environments that offer more gratifying opportunities to act to maximize status and image, when those are available, e.g. sports, music, etc.)

        Still, people respond to incentives, entrance is easier for a Black person of a given SAT score than a White or even more an Asian, and the result seems to be relatively high interest in education and college attendance, and commitment to espousing the importance of education and the superiority of the well educated, relative to the expectation for IQ.

      • misdreavus says:

        “There is also an inverse relationship between education and fecundibeneficialty, so from hbd perspective, it is beneficial.”

        absolutely nothing about “HBD” suggests that dysgenic reproduction is beneficial.

      • little spoon says:

        “Children of Black Caribbean background- whose ancestors were slaves- tend to to better in school and in achievement tests in the US than blacks whose ancestors were slaves in the US. ”

        How much better do black children of carribbean background do? Looking at them, they seem even more African than US blacks. However, when I see their communities in Queens, I see many that seem to have East Indian admixture too. I am curious about the ancestry breakdown of US blacks vs. Carribbean blacks.

        Still, if there is a significant difference between the performance of carribean blacks and US blacks, then I could see that having a cultural explanation.

      • little spoon says:

        “absolutely nothing about “HBD” suggests that dysgenic reproduction is beneficial.”

        Why do we call it “dysgenic?” I think smart people have a tendency to believe in a sort of IQ panacea without acknowledging that there are real disadvantages that come with a higher IQ, especially in our present society. A major disadvantage is that high IQ women report less interest in even wanting children at all. Other disadvantages include lower engagement in sex, later start of having sex. In the animal world (which we are technically still in), these are all real disadvantages.

        Today blacks in america reproduce at about replacement level. However, their reproduction patterns are more “dysgenic” that whites. The blacks in the ghetto are above replacement and those who are higher SES are below.

        Still, the blacks in the ghetto have got it right. They start having children as teenagers, which is how it should be done based on our biology. They know their children are likely to survive till adulthood, so they go ahead and have them. Compare this to high IQ people from high IQ races that go into debt for 100K for degrees that usually confer no real benefit. Then they neurotically obsess about finding “the one” and either never have children or try and have them starting at age 35.

        In the ghetto, the understanding is correct. Their children are not going to die, be malnourished or be severely neglected/abused etc because they are born on welfare in a single parent arrangement in the projects. The basic requirements to produce a child that can live up to their potential exist in the ghetto. The high IQ people are the delusional ones that falsely believe that they need to have a 4 bedroom house with a yard and a executive director level salary in order to produce a child that can be alright. It is them who could learn a thing or two from the adaptations of the blacks in the ghetto.

      • misdreavus says:

        ^^

        This has got to be, by far, one of the stupidest posts I’ve ever read in my life.

      • little spoon says:

        “This has got to be, by far, one of the stupidest posts I’ve ever read in my life.”

        And why exactly? This blog focuses on human evolution. Whoever produces the most surviving offspring who in turn produce the most surviving offspring over generations will own the future. Right now, the TFR of Niger is 7 and the TFR of Hong Kong is 1.1. You can talk about IQ this and IQ that, but right now the group that is best adapted to present conditions happens to be the one with TFR 7. Sure, they depend on vaccinations and technology only the west could invent, but once given access to these benefits, they have done the thing that defines fittest and reproduced at a high rate.

        IQ 70 they may have, but having the will to reproduce first and foremost has real value in the grand scheme of things. It is something those who want to postpone family creation until they have 3 degrees shouldn’t entirely discredit.

      • misdreavus says:

        To begin with, “HBD” in and of itself has little to say about normative issues. By your logic, we ought to all commit suicide and just allow cockroaches to dominate the globe. If a TFR of 9.0 is superior to a TFR of 1.3, by logical extension, producing thousands of little roachlings per year ought to be the best reproductive strategy of all. Complete and utter nonsense.

        You just answered why that latter strategy is stupid in a single paragraph. Hard to sustain a TFR of 7.0 in a xeric landscape of marginal scrubland and scorching deserts without yearly shipments of manna from the global north, vaccinations, millions of dollars in foreign aid, PlumpyNut paid for by UNICEF, etc. isn’t it? The Fulani will not own a pot to piss the way current demographic trajectories are headed. They don’t today, and barring some miraculous restructuring of their gene pool, they won’t anytime in the near future.

      • misdreavus says:

        Shit I thought I had asperger’s.

        Unless you are one of those types who believes stupidity to be superior to high intelligence (believe me, I’ve met quite a few), the dumbing down of a population over time represents a dysgenic trend. Words like “beneficial” and “dysgenic” have definitions, you know. Unless of course, your list of priorities is totally wrong. :-/

      • aisaac says:

        I’m with little spoon, at least regarding the point that you don’t need half the shit middle-class and above parents think you need. Like our esteemed host, I’m sending my kids to shitty public schools, and if I had felt that the stock market has to be right and the kids have to go to a fancy private school, or even a public school in a good school district, I probably never would have had any. Thanks to the miracle of genetics, which are unaffected by things like schools, it probably won’t do much harm. Certainly less harm than a condom would have.

        misdreavus, a cockroach may have a high TFR but most of its offspring will die quickly, and they’re not relevant anyway because they compete in a different niche. Low IQ populations may have trouble when/if the EBT card, or international equivalent, stops working, but groups that die out due to lack of interest in reproducing won’t have any problems at all.

      • misdreavus says:

        The only one who is assuming that current demographic trends (which, to a considerable degree, are the product of artificial incentives among both low *and* high IQ populations) will remain fixed forever is little spoon. Just who is dying out, exactly? Population momentum alone might keep you expanding long enough for the right social indicators to change.

        And people should stop trying to redefine basic words.

      • misdreavus says:

        If you read a few posts back, LS claimed that something was both dysgenic and not dysgenic at the same time. This is exactly what I am talking about.

        Either way, praising Ray’Quan who is the baby daddy of 7 different kids by four different baby mommas from an “evolutionary” perspective is not even wrong. HBD my ass.

  2. md says:

    Must be a pathogen :-)

  3. Andrew says:

    I browsed through the MSAN website and found the following under the “statement of purpose” section as stated causes of the gap:

    •The current gaps in achievement are not due to racial differences in innate ability.[4]
    •Racism within schools continues to be a significant barrier to student achievement.[7]

    References
    4 – Richard Nisbett, “Race, Genetics and IQ,” in Jencks and Phillips.
    7 – While effects of racism are less visible and subtler, racism continues to have a negative impact on students in academic settings. See, for instance, Claude Steele and Joshua Aronson, “Stereotype Threat and Test Performance of Academically Successful African Americans,” in Jencks and Phillips.

    • Scharlach says:

      A lot of citation coverage there. Preponderance of evidence. Hard to a argue against.

      • Andrew says:

        Its not the quantity cited, but the quality. The cited sources range from PC influenced outcome to a flat out hoax.

        Greg threw out the idea of reviewing books. Here is one.

    • Julian says:

      Jelte Wicherts presented some findings a few years ago of a meta-analysis of stereotype threat studies.

      “Numerous laboratory experiments have been conducted to show that African Americans’ cognitive test performance suffers under stereotype threat, i.e., the fear of confirming negative stereotypes concerning one’s group. A meta-analysis of 55 published and unpublished studies of this effect shows clear signs of publication bias. The effect varies widely across studies, and is generally small. Although elite university undergraduates may underperform on cognitive tests due to stereotype threat, this effect does not generalize to non-adapted standardized tests, high-stakes settings, and less academically gifted test-takers. Stereotype threat cannot explain the difference in mean cognitive test performance between African Americans and European Americans.”

      http://menghusblog.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/race-and-iq-stereotype-threat-r-i-p/

  4. The fourth doorman of the apocalypse says:

    If the eliminate all the non minority people in the world, I am sure the situation will change.

  5. B.B. says:

    MSAN website:
    •The current gaps in achievement are not due to racial differences in innate ability.[4]
    4 – Richard Nisbett, “Race, Genetics and IQ,” in Jencks and Phillips.

    That’s pretty funny because Nisbett, et al’s 2012 article Intelligence: New Findings and Theoretical Developments frankly acknowledges genetics playing a role in Asian-American/European-American differences in test scores. Of course there is still plenty of excuse-making for the black/white IQ gap. But let it be acknowledged that the hereditarians have basically won the scientific debate. The relevant experts all agree that genetics plays a role in group differences in cognitive ability. Now we are just quibbling over to what degree it does.

  6. skid says:

    I see 2 issues with this. The first is Dunning-Kruger. You need to have a certain level of competence to be able to appreciate that someone else might be smarter than you. Dumb people truly don’t realize they’re dumb… that’s why bad spellers make spelling mistakes. They can’t see their errors.
    The second is there’s an inherent conflict of interest with administrators in education. They’re not the ones teaching… their jobs are really to make the money flow (whether from public or private sources). Essentially, car salesmen. So, they’re selling the dream of education is everything and heredity is nothing because, well, they’re just selling cars. Car salesmen usually know that they’re bullshitting; they just won’t admit to it.

    • dave chamberlin says:

      “Dumb people truly don’t realize that they are dumb”

      I’ve thought about this. I think it is more complex than that. Certainly there are lots and lots of delusional dumb folk who drink this Koolaid. They live in a world surrounded by dumb people and the TV does a wonderful job of marketing that the world is just as simple as you conceive it to be. But behind this veneer, this pays for itself first few times you use it ideology they are gnawed at by the truth they try to hide from. There is lots and lots of anger which these dumb folk lash out upon a world that has dealt them a lousy hand of cards that means they don’t have 20/20 minds eye vision. But they know, they have got to know, it is confirmed every day of their existence multiple times that other people possess the ability to more complexly visualize the world around them. Mostly they deal with it by making intelligence unimportant. Being brave, athletic, religious, loving, these are the qualities that they emphasize. I see more active acting out of delusional behavior by the pretty smart thinking they are very smart, sometimes right here on this very blog. After all, humble pie taste like shit.

      • Edmund McRofling says:

        I wonder if truly stupid people really do understand what they lack. The mediocre get it: Above 85ish IQ or so they’re functional enough to maintain a livable neighborhood for themselves, and generalize from that to the awareness that some people are better at it.

        But in the unthinking depths, they seem honestly unable to figure out what they’re doing wrong, based on the rhetoric I’ve heard. “How come white people have clean streets?” “Why they get to live in nice houses?”

        Some of them are bright enough, and it’s no picnic to deal with for them. They often seem to end up denying it. Take Ta-Nehisi Coates, for example.

      • dave chamberlin says:

        I think you are right about the borderline retarded. I was again loose with my words, I didn’t define what I think dumb is and I should have. I’m salty and rude and I think the smack dab in the middle folk are functional simpletons. Their view of the world is more often than not shockingly ignorant and simple. I think it would make for entertaining reading to introduce to the general public the normal worldview of people with IQ’s descending every 5 points the and percentage of the public they comprise. Hopefully it is an idea I can talk Greg into following up on. It could even be a book that requires extensive research. IQ of 90. “I interviewed one hundred americans with an IQ of 90 and this is what they think and they represent x% of americans.” Oh man, that is my kind of funny/disturbing.

      • Edmund McRofling says:

        That collection of interviews is a fantastic idea. I love it.

  7. Still, given that the Accepted Narrative received a scholarly challenge in 1969 it has done well to defend obscurantism to the present day.

  8. See No Evol says:

    I am not the only person that noticed this often-repeated pattern. Eventually, many of these high schools [and some similar ones, like Amherst] got together and formed a consortium aimed at finding the mysterious cause.

    It’s not the only mystery found in the One Race, the Human Race:

    Problem of Gender Differences On Physics Assessments Remains Unsolved

    In a new synthesis of past work, researchers found that women consistently score lower than men on common assessments of conceptual understanding of physics. However, when examining the factors that may account for these differences (such as student background and test-taking strategies), no clear pattern emerged. Thus, despite previous claims that the causes of this gender gap have been pinpointed, the problem remains unsolved and poorly understood.

    Problem of Gender Differences On Physics Assessments Remains Unsolved

    In the face of these mysteries, what can we do but repeat the mantra?

    Human equality is a contingent fact of history. Equality is not true by definition; it is neither an ethical principle (though equal treatment may be) nor a statement about norms of social action. It just worked out that way. A hundred different and plausible scenarios for human history would have yielded other results (and moral dilemmas of enormous magnitude). They didn’t happen.

    Trust me — I’m Marxist

  9. Jim says:

    When ideologies crash it seems to be the case that instead of a rational and realistic appraisal of what if anything can be salvaged from the wreck, ideologues respond by moving even deeper into
    fantasy and delusion. Thus the absurd belief exemplified in the title of the movie “Waiting for Superman” that if we could only put a Leibniz as a teacher in every classroom then Detroit would become the City of Heaven on Earth.

    • The fourth doorman of the apocalypse says:

      Perhaps because they have a selected pre-disposition towards those ideologies in the same way that we have a genetic predisposition to learn language or to engage in religious activities (on average.)

      • Anonymous says:

        Part of the function of “ideologies”, just like with other religions, is to let the believer prove his commitment to the group via believing morality-laden nonsense as strongly as the next guy, if not more. Self-deception helps a lot.

      • The fourth doorman of the apocalypse says:

        Part of the function of “ideologies”, just like with other religions, is to let the believer prove his commitment to the group via believing morality-laden nonsense as strongly as the next guy, if not more. Self-deception helps a lot.

        Sure, but ducks don’t have to deceive themselves in order to be able to fly, and they don’t learn how to fly, it is encoded in their genes.

        The question is, how long does it take for a certain culture[1] to exist before we start to see genetic hard wiring for it.

        [1] A certain stereotypical set of actions that would seem to only have in-group survival relevance.

  10. Patrick Boyle says:

    I think your observation that the writers were confused by the results is good news. It means that they are at least sincere. The alternative would be that they promoted all this nonsense about education cynically.

    I used to evaluate jobs programs professionally. Since almost all jobs programs are education programs I wrote my first substantial computer programs analyzing education outcomes by race, and anything else that had been measured. I found a book on stepwise multiple regression and translated the algorithm into Microsoft BASIC. I couldn’t release the results. Not if I wanted to continue to be employed. It wasn’t that race mattered – it was that only race mattered.

    Foolish notions about education and educability permeate our culture. In movies and in real life we hear people excuse their stupidity with the statement – “I didn’t have much education”. They get it exactly backwards. They dropped out of school because they had rocks in their head. But they speak as if they had just been able to stay is school a bit longer they would be able to do triple integrals in their head.

    Maybe it’s the analogy with physical abilities. When I lifted weights it was clear that almost any modern inactive schlump could double their physical strength by just pumping some iron. And the longer you pumped the stronger you got. Ninety pound weaklings really can transform themselves with just exercise – not that some anabolic steroids and Human Growth Hormone won’t also help. But this transformational lesson doesn’t hold in the classroom – never has.

    • dave chamberlin says:

      First of all, good post. But I have a question for you. Anything else that could be measured should include IQ. Didn’t IQ make a better prediction of job performance than race?

      • little spoon says:

        (I used to comment here as feministx, and I have changed my handle, btw)

        Not that I know how this analysis was done, but I think that does make sense. People are probably somewhat self selecting for IQ when they enter into a job training program even if that program has no IQ related filtering process in the application. On average, people of a certain range of intelligence will tend to gravitate to training as a dental assistant, trucker, hair stylist etc. So within that group of people from a job training program who tend to be at similar IQs, race will be the bigger predictor of success.

        Still, perhaps Patrick did not have an indication of IQ on hand when doing his analysis, so maybe it was not assessed as a factor.

    • Gilbert P says:

      “Maybe it’s the analogy with physical abilities.”

      No. It is similar to physical abilities. Some people are just strong; and, like thoroughbreds at a yearling sale, you can’t always tell by looking at them. They start lifting (untrained) at fairly high levels and improve rapidly. Others work for years, inching their way towards the “natural’s” beginner level. It’s even more clear when it comes to speed.

  11. I had an interesting tweet exchange with Morgan Polikoff (USC prof, age about 10. Maybe 28.) a while back. After assuring me that .07 of a standard deviation was meaningful, he made some comment about the achievement gap being caused by income. I pointed out that poor whites outscore non-poor whites on every test known. He demanded a cite; I gave him both California and NAEP cites showing this. He *instantly* said “well, this isn’t *significantly* higher”–that is, it was not outside margin of error. I’m like, are you friggin kidding me? You have just been assuring me that a number so small I have to squint at it is meaningful, and then I show you obvious, instantly ascertainable, generally available data that shows non-poor blacks with lower scores than poor whites. And that’s not meaningful?

    Most of the education research I read involves caveats and laughably small differences. Yet people deny what’s right in front of them. Crazy making.

    Incidentally, Rod Dreher at the woefully misnamed American Conservative has been writing about the achievement gap for a while. He’s convinced it’s culture. Why do so many people think saying “Your culture sucks” is less insulting than “Your group, on average, has a lower IQ?”

    I’ve been writing a lot about the push for “higher quality teachers”. Everyone pushes for these mythical teachers, while simultaneously bewailing the mysterious lack of black and Hispanic teachers. http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2013/10/31/teacher-quality-report-lacking-a-certain-quality/

    Our entire educational policy of the past 40 years is based on a “problem” that can’t be fixed: http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/the-fallacy-at-the-heart-of-all-reform/

    • B.B. says:

      educationrealist said:
      Morgan Polikoff… made some comment about the achievement gap being caused by income.

      No doubt he thinks this because income correlates with test scores and he fallaciously assumes this constitutes proof of a causal relation from income to test scores. Such blatant errors wouldn’t be so common if the term “the sociologist’s fallacy” was introduced into the chattering classes common vocabulary. Unfortunately it seems that few people outside of the specialized fields of differential psychology & behavioral genetics have heard of it despite the annoying regularity of people committing it.

  12. reiner Tor says:

    Just wondering, does anyone commenting here on this post (or maybe even Dr. Cochran himself) have an idea on what the reason for this mysterious phenomenon could even be?

    However, I think that showing too much interest in this obscure and strange problem is, though not outright racism, is very close to it, so why don’t you talk about a more pressing problem, such as white racism, which we know to be responsible for many horrors in the world?

  13. The fourth doorman of the apocalypse says:

    OT, but assuming that the reproductive population that is ancestral to Pan and Homo had separate chromosomes 2A and 2B, what is the likelihood that an individual with a fused 2A & 2B might still have some reproductive success with copies of 2A and 2B still binding correctly with the appropriate parts of 2?

  14. RSA says:

    Have you done any research starting with the word South Africa?? Success in my country very slim. Never mind the chromosomes I would like to urge (reiner Tor) though not outright racism, is very close to it, so why don’t you talk about a more pressing problem, such as white racism, which we know to be responsible for many horrors in the world? Could you please use the term boere and farmers old people rape and crisis then do not forget kill the farmer kill the boer. (Food producers) corruption and fraud. Food produce will become a problem and only the rich will be able to afford food. Kill for a cellphone do not make any sense. Breaking a beer bottle and pushing it into a woman over her seventies after been raped. Do not forget child rape. Do you think age three months is not possible. Search http://www.news24.com Malema wants all the land but what about the debt owned to banks. Mr President singing all the time. We ♪♫will hunt them with machine guns bhu la la(kill). Help me I am going crazy…….. Steve Hofmeyr http://www.boerekrisis.co.za red october statistics crime so terribly wrong.

    • misdreavus says:

      Looks to me that South Africa is on fast track to becoming Zimbabwe 2.0.

      I can’t say I blame the Bantus, though. Western civilization is beyond their capacity to emulate, or even recreate at the most rudimentary level through a crude pastiche of bare-bones institutions.

      • reiner Tor says:

        Zimbabwe would be a wonderful place, if not for the meddling of whites from elsewhere. South Africa is already much better than during Apartheid, when it built nuclear weapons (bad), and when talented people like Jacob Zuma were prevented from governing the country. Now there is meritocracy (with a little help from affirmative action), where the best and the brightest of the Blacks also have a chance of becoming president.

        Diversity is strength. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Two plus two equals five.

      • ironrailsironweights says:

        Zimbabwe might have a chance of improvement when Robert Mugabe finally dies.

        Peter

      • reiner Tor says:

        Zimbabwe might have a chance of improvement when Robert Mugabe finally dies.

        Zimbabwe’s problems were not caused by just one man. The opposition totally agrees with Mugabe regarding his policy towards whites (i.e. taking the land from whites), which led to disaster, they simply wanted a fair share of the booty. After the old man dies, you can expect redoubled attempts at redistribution. How this was going to solve Zimbabwe’s problems is a mystery to me.

    • engleberg says:

      From Johnson’s South Africa’s Brave New World , there are signs of hope. The ANC is black socialism. They won’t let a white party regain power. But the Xhosa, original tribe of the ANC, has already let a Zulu win the Presidency, and might let other black tribes win elections too. That would mean a multiparty state. As Sergeant Schweik said, two parties of moderate progress within bounds of the law.

      • engleberg says:

        after South Africa’s Brave New World. Sheesh.

      • misdreavus says:

        As if the Xhosa, Ndebele, Sotho, etc. are not already capable of producing a thousand Jacob Zumas of their own. Thabo Mbeki was no Zulu, and his health minister thought that garlic and beetroot could cure AIDS.

        I’m not sure how anybody can top hundreds of thousands of deaths due to negligence, but if there ever is such a person in the world, he would be just perfect for a prolific career in the ANC.

      • misdreavus says:

        correction: hundreds of thousands of deaths in a democratic country with a functioning infrastructure.

      • engleberg says:

        >I’m not sure how anyone can top hundreds of thousands of deaths due to negligence in a democratic country with a functioning infrastructure.

        I am. So are you. Do it on purpose, millions instead of thousands, be a secret police that has a country rather than a party that has a secret police. The ANC cadre was trained by KGB and Stasi. They have a real historic grievance. Instead of going straight down the Lenin, Stalin, Mao path full tilt, they have allowed a different ethnic group’s leader -a low normal not remarkable for moral authority, not an irreplaceable genius who shoved them out of the way- to take power. That is a sign of hope in a horrible situation.

      • reiner Tor says:

        Do it on purpose, millions instead of thousands, be a secret police that has a country rather than a party that has a secret police. The ANC cadre was trained by KGB and Stasi. They have a real historic grievance. Instead of going straight down the Lenin, Stalin, Mao path full tilt, they have allowed a different ethnic group’s leader -a low normal not remarkable for moral authority, not an irreplaceable genius who shoved them out of the way- to take power. That is a sign of hope in a horrible situation.

        If you want to copy the NKVD or the Stasi, you’d need some Jews or Germans to run the secret police. It takes some organizational skills to run an organization like that, which blacks lack.

        Instead of going straight down the Lenin, Stalin, Mao path full tilt

        There was a joke about Lenin. In the kindergarten we were told tales about how nice person Lenin had been, how he met a child and helped her, etc. Once Lenin was working at his desk, it was summer, kids were playing football (soccer) outside, the window was open, but Lenin was relentlessly working for the good of the people, when… the ball flew in the window, right onto Lenin’s desk. Lenin’s face got red from anger, he looked out the window, threw back the ball, and started yelling at the kids: “Go f…k your mothers who were all wh…res, you ugly bastards!” You can see how nice Lenin was – he could have had them shot on the spot.

        For some inexplicable reason I am reminded of this joke now.

  15. dearieme says:

    ”How could a high school do so well by one group of students and do so poorly for another?”

    ”How could one group of students use a high school so poorly compared to another?”

    How could one litre of petrol do so well by one motor and not by another?
    How could one motor get so much more out of a litre of petrol than another?

    It’s called “framing” I believe. The amusing ambiguity is unintentional, I’ll bet.

  16. Obviously the problem is white privilege.

  17. fnn says:

    Trotskyite wreckers = Theocratic White-Supremacist Hyper-Capitalism®

    The latter phrase from Nick Land.

  18. Asher says:

    I wish them luck in their search for the real score-killer.

    LMAO

    @ Patrick Boyle

    I think your observation that the writers were confused by the results is good news. It means that they are at least sincere.

    Or it could mean that they understood the implications of the results perfectly well but refused to accept them, offering “we’re confused” as a way of avoiding the obvious conclusion.

  19. Abelard Lindsey says:

    ”How could a high school do so well by one group of students and do so poorly for another?”

    Yes, indeed. How can two different groups of kids with access to the same educational resources perform so differently? The people who spend millions of dollars trying to answer this question seemed to be stumped. They can’t figure it out.

    Perhaps there are some things we are just meant not to understand.

  20. TWS says:

    We used to think it was elf-shot but now we know it is witchcraft. Keep up with the times. Evil whites with the evil eye.

  21. Al Fin says:

    I was probably the last person in the world to understand the unspoken reality. Reading “The Bell Curve” was a shock, but reading about Shaker Heights (via John McWhorter) completed the picture, from low SES to high SES. But you can’t talk honestly about it because the entire infrastructure of society is built upon the lie. Society is too fragile to face the truth in plain words.

  22. Julian says:

    @ Greg & Henry,

    Similar thing in NZ with disparities in achievement levels between Asian, European and Polynesian students. From NZ Initiative report:

    “But the system is not reaching everyone

    NZ has one of the largest gaps in the world between high- and low-performing students
    The 2009 PISA study of 15-year-olds showed NZ has one of the widest ranges of reading scores in the OECD

    Māori and Pasifika students are consistently less successful than Pakeha and Asian students at all three levels of NCEA and they do not perform as well in international tests of achievement…

    Low expectations of Māori and Pasifika students are partly to blame for low achievement”

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/10/nz_initiative_on_teacher_quality.html

    I emailed one of the report authors suggesting these gaps are partly due to innate factors. She replied that culture probably explained the gaps.

    She then added that if the gaps were genetic, in policy terms, you’d be giving up on those students. I replied that wasn’t the case and she should focus on maximising individual achievement rather than group differences.

  23. Zippy says:

    It would be OK if we lived in a world where governing elites knew the truth, but avoided it out of politeness. I can imagine a world where the truth is known at places like Harvard, and if young students went to those places and were told “everything people tell you is a polite fiction. Here is the truth.” They could base actual policy on the truth while giving lip service to equalist cant. The problem is that our elites really do believe in equalism, and they proceed to base actual policy choices on that.

    • reiner Tor says:

      Such secret, but honest talks would leak in a few weeks even in the pre-internet, pre-smartphone days, but these days it would take a few minutes for them to leak. So you cannot create a separate ideology for the elite and for the rest of us.

      Since you have just one single ideology, it gets enforced for the elite as well: since anybody’s back would be broken (OK, only jobs lost, social ostracism, etc.) for contradicting or offending the ruling ideology, elite members can use it as a weapon against each other. Even opponents of the ideology will resort to the language of the ideologues: in communist countries often the opposition insisted they were more socialist than the communist government, or that they were the true socialists or even communists. Such rhetoric only went out of fashion by 1989 (in Hungary, in the USSR it might have been in 1991), when it started to get clear that the system would collapse.

  24. Jim says:

    Zippy – Official ideologies determine policies even when most people privately believe that these ideologies are not true. After the fall of communism it was interesting that many people who had been members of the former elite said that they had known all along that the system was not working. But nevertheless policy reflected the official ideology until collapse. Many people in our elite may have private doubts about the official ideology but this has little effect.

  25. IC says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/opinion/friedman-the-shanghai-secret.html

    Reading between the lines about Shanghai pisa achievement.
    .
    “There is no secret.”

    That is the core message of entire article.

    • Bob says:

      Come now, let us not be daft. Friedman is a piece of work. He is right there is no secret, but the answer he provides is crap.

      “These are: a deep commitment to teacher training, peer-to-peer learning and constant professional development, a deep involvement of parents in their children’s learning, an insistence by the school’s leadership on the highest standards and a culture that prizes education and respects teachers.”

      This kind of fix the schools and work harder nonsense is such crap. Education articles that don’t acknowledge that IQ is meaningful and significantly heritable are worth nothing. Wishing or ignoring this will not make it go away. No amount of parental hectoring and student diligence will make an IQ 70 student into a physicist. This fact is no excuse for the failure to have a productive place for people under this burden in our society. There is much wrong with education in America, but you have to be realistic about the limits of what improvement can achieve. Most of that improvement benefit is going to accrue to those who are already succeeding in the current lousy system.

      Look at demographics of China above 90% ethnic Han and the migration of talent from the rural areas of china to the major urban centers. There is the answer that is no secret.

      • IC says:

        As a person with dyslexia (a desirable disability claimed by Malcolm Gladwell), I had hard time reading word salad. I can only read between lines and guess what Friedman really tried to convey.

        His real message is that ” There is no secret”. The rest are just rubbish to fool PC idiots and cover up his rear end. No secret message itself define the rest writing as useless explanation.

        Like Diamond, he tried to survive. Different people can get different things out their writings. Clever strategy. Just do not take their things at face value.

  26. LP says:

    You should start a new thread about the social implications of letting the truth be known. NAMs, even ones that could be brilliant, will probably do even worse on tests because they will think that it doesn’t matter if they study because they are just born dumb. They will come to resent whites and asians even worse. Maybe they will stop trying to simply rely on welfare to an even greater extent. It really will be devastating socially.

    • noone says:

      “NAMs, even ones that could be brilliant, will probably do even worse on tests because they will think that it doesn’t matter if they study because they are just born dumb.”

      Individual testing like they do for the military.

  27. Jim says:

    At one time the facts about various group differences were pretty widely acknowledged without causing much harm. Trying to deny reality in the face of obvious facts is much more damaging in the long run than just dealing with them.
    Really brilliant people are not much affected by the opinions others have about their ability. If you’re Ramanujan it’s blindingly obvious that you’re a hell of a lot better at manipulating infinite continued fractions than anybody else.

  28. Richard Sharpe says:

    There seems to be disparate outcomes for the poor as far as medical care is concerned as well.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/11/11/obamacare-health-care-obama-medicaid-avik-roy-column/3489067/

  29. The fourth doorman of the apocalypse says:
  30. panjoomby says:

    after we figure out this mystery we can get started on the sports gap & the crime gap!

  31. Jim says:

    You’re right Bob – Expecting low IQ students to master a college preparatory curriculum such as the Common Core or insisting they take algebra is certainly no kindness to them. Because we refuse to acknowledge genetic differences in cognitive level we have no chance of providing low IQ individuals with the most appropriate education.

  32. Jim says:

    Once upon time agricultural labor could soak up lots of low IQ people. But in our economy there isn’t that much productive work left for low IQ folks. This is a serious problem but we can hardly even acknowledge that the problem exists due to PC ideology – everybody can become a doctor, lawyer, etc.

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  34. JK says:

    Cultural Literacy E.D. Hirsch : 1987 – Houghton Mifflin Co.

  35. clay says:

    Three Points:

    – If you accept that genetics is a primary cause, there isn’t a peaceful, non-contentious solution that doesn’t involve distant science. I know leftists who publiclly acknowledge that there is an innate ability level, but I don’t think they take it as far as this crowd.
    – It’s probably not all genetic. Why do black immigrants tend to do so much better than blacks from families who have been in the US?
    – People often need to go through a length process of discovering this themselves and realizing that it’s not just some bias or unfairness of society. I just think the big articles

    • Dipitty Do says:

      Immigrants do better than blacks who were born here because immigrating from Africa or the Caribbean is a long, difficult process that naturally selects for the upper-tier of the potential immigrant pool in terms of dedication, long-term planning, and ability to understand and properly fill out complex documents. Those immigrants are smart folks, but do not reflect the average abilities of their home countries. If they did, their home countries would be paradises and no one would bother immigrating.

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